IMA = republica, EMA = democrat

[YouKnowWho]

Sometime I don't understand why anybody who belongs to the bottom 99% want to vote for those who belong to the top 1%. When I look at TCMA, I then realize the reason.

Many people believe that IMA training path is superior. Even if they are not IMA masters yet, since they believe that if they follow that training path, oneday they will become IMA masters. Those guys will be in favor of the IMA training path.

Many people don't believe that they will be IMA masters no matter how hard that they may try. They just want to take the safe path by working on heavy bag and throwing dummy. Those guys will be in favor of the EMA training path.

What's your thought?

[bawang]

i vote independent.

[SPJ]

We learn or train one thing at a time.

Focus on external first.

Then learn internal next.

For independent candidate

Vote for Ron Paul.

Oh yeah.

He may not win, though.

[xinyidizi]

Before I had no idea that people(especially foreigners) can get so much dogmatic about IMA and EMA. I think this kind of thinking is mostly the result of not having enough exposure to high level IMA and EMA from both sides. Both of my teachers in taiji and xinyiliuhe/chaquan come from Henan(chen jiagou and zhoukou) where IMA and EMA are both available at a very high level. I have never heard them saying anything bad about EMA and they always discuss EMA techniques from different styles and how to defend them. My xinyi teacher had us do weight training and practice on heavy bags, trees, resisting opponents from the beginning. Some IMA styles might take "a bit" longer to be used in fighting but under the right training it won't take too long and the students can easily use them in practice like any other styles.

They are both good but I like the order I learned them. I started with internal and got good roots and a flexible kua out of it then moved to external and got strong and fast. Now I am in the middle and I continue exploring both.

Politics is the same. People can get dogmatic on the name of the parties for no reason instead of learning about the candidate and what he wants to do.

[YouKnowWho]

Here is an example that an IMA guy used EMA technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kFxPuRYSg

At 2.29, The guy with white top and black pants used was a "head lock leg twist". Didn't know Chen Taiji guys also train that move.

[Robinhood]

Here is an example that an IMA guy used EMA technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kFxPuRYSg

At 2.29, The guy with white top and black pants used was a "head lock leg twist". Didn't know Chen Taiji guys also train that move.

Looks OK to me, the internal comes before the external. Sounds like your not clear on what internal is, you are probably thinking of no touch internal.

[YouKnowWho]

you are probably thinking of no touch internal.

I will be the last person on this planet who believes in "no touch"?

The "leg twist" is "force against force". There is no way to borrow your opponent's force by using that move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgXae8ApQE

Translation:

Last move I was using "skill" to throw him. Next move I'll use "strength" to throw him. I'm going to throw him with "leg twist" ... Teacher: "Are you really trying to use your force to against me? I'm already over 50 years old ..." Student: "I was trying to help your throw to look real."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnxG84QTGx0

[Robinhood]

I will be the last person on this planet who believes in "no touch"?

The "leg twist" is "force against force". There is no way to borrow your opponent's force by using that move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgXae8ApQE

Translation:

Last move I was using "skill" to throw him. Next move I'll use "strength" to throw him. I'm going to throw him with "leg twist" ... Teacher: "Are you really trying to use your force to against me? I'm already over 50 years old ..." Student: "I was trying to help your throw to look real."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnxG84QTGx0

It still boils down to more skill equals less effort.

[Flusher]

Sometime I don't understand why anybody who belongs to the bottom 99% want to vote for those who belong to the top 1%. When I look at TCMA, I then realize the reason.

Many people believe that IMA training path is superior.

What compels that belief? What justifies it?

Even if they are not IMA masters yet, since they believe that if they follow that training path, oneday they will become IMA masters. Those guys will be in favor of the IMA training path.

Many people don't believe that they will be IMA masters no matter how hard that they may try. They just want to take the safe path by working on heavy bag and throwing dummy. Those guys will be in favor of the EMA training path.

What's your thought?

Safe path? Really? Or are you just trolling....? This begs the questions, what makes IMA superior? What shows that it is so?

[YouKnowWho]

This is the question that I would like to get answer from those who believe in it.

What make you to believe that if you follow the IMA training path, oneday you will become an IMA master (If you work hard, you wil belong to the top 1% someday)?

[Flusher]

I have found that the only people who believe in the superiority of IMA, are IMA people.

There are also droves of folks who actually believe that hard work alone gets the job done. I would put them in with the 99%.

[xinyidizi]

I am a little bit lost in this discussion

What make you to believe that if you follow the IMA training path, oneday you will become an IMA master

Because if we train with good teachers there is often many opportunities to see the teacher, the senior students, etc in sparring or being challenged by other martial artists.

I have found that the only people who believe in the superiority of IMA, are IMA people.

If they don't think that the style they practice is superior "for them" then why would they spend time on learning it? We all have the right to have a preference in choosing the right style for ourselves.

[YouKnowWho]

I am a little bit lost in this discussion ... If they don't think that the style they practice is superior "for them" then why would they spend time on learning it? We all have the right to have a preference in choosing the right style for ourselves.

Sometime that may be the only style available to that person at that particular point of time.

The "internal" subject is as old as dirt. Those who belong to the bottom 99% and vote for those who belong to the top 1% make nosense to me. It's election season. Anything that can help those 99% to vote for the right person is always a good thing.

[Flusher]

If they don't think that the style they practice is superior "for them" then why would they spend time on learning it? We all have the right to have a preference in choosing the right style for ourselves.

Considering it to be subjectively superior is one thing. But many, if not most "pure" IMA people will claim that it is superior, objectively. But then become indignant when honest, valid criticism is put on the table. Cop-outs usually follow rather than proofs or examples. And they still demand that IMA should be consensually referred to as "superior".

Brings us back to the questions here: Why do some people consider IMA to be the top 1% (superior)? What shows it to be so?

[Syn7]

Sometime I don't understand why anybody who belongs to the bottom 99% want to vote for those who belong to the top 1%. When I look at TCMA, I then realize the reason.

Many people believe that IMA training path is superior. Even if they are not IMA masters yet, since they believe that if they follow that training path, oneday they will become IMA masters. Those guys will be in favor of the IMA training path.

Many people don't believe that they will be IMA masters no matter how hard that they may try. They just want to take the safe path by working on heavy bag and throwing dummy. Those guys will be in favor of the EMA training path.

What's your thought?

I dunno bout your analogy. Seems a lil too far out there for me. But the reason why people vote for who they vote for is because they want to believe. Look at what Obama did last time out. His supporters were in tears and so sure this was the huge change they had been "waiting" for. This time they may vote for him, but it won't feel the same. People simply want to be told and want to believe that they are in good hands and everything will be just fine. Whoever does that and spits out enough talking points to hit their target audiences will get votes.

Most people who work hard don't believe they will be multimillionaires. Hard work does not guarantee success. I think most folks know that.