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    IMA = republica, EMA = democrat

    Sometime I don't understand why anybody who belongs to the bottom 99% want to vote for those who belong to the top 1%. When I look at TCMA, I then realize the reason.

    Many people believe that IMA training path is superior. Even if they are not IMA masters yet, since they believe that if they follow that training path, oneday they will become IMA masters. Those guys will be in favor of the IMA training path.

    Many people don't believe that they will be IMA masters no matter how hard that they may try. They just want to take the safe path by working on heavy bag and throwing dummy. Those guys will be in favor of the EMA training path.

    What's your thought?
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    i vote independent.

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    Thumbs up

    We learn or train one thing at a time.

    Focus on external first.

    Then learn internal next.

    For independent candidate

    Vote for Ron Paul.

    Oh yeah.

    He may not win, though.

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    Before I had no idea that people(especially foreigners) can get so much dogmatic about IMA and EMA. I think this kind of thinking is mostly the result of not having enough exposure to high level IMA and EMA from both sides. Both of my teachers in taiji and xinyiliuhe/chaquan come from Henan(chen jiagou and zhoukou) where IMA and EMA are both available at a very high level. I have never heard them saying anything bad about EMA and they always discuss EMA techniques from different styles and how to defend them. My xinyi teacher had us do weight training and practice on heavy bags, trees, resisting opponents from the beginning. Some IMA styles might take "a bit" longer to be used in fighting but under the right training it won't take too long and the students can easily use them in practice like any other styles.

    They are both good but I like the order I learned them. I started with internal and got good roots and a flexible kua out of it then moved to external and got strong and fast. Now I am in the middle and I continue exploring both.

    Politics is the same. People can get dogmatic on the name of the parties for no reason instead of learning about the candidate and what he wants to do.
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    Here is an example that an IMA guy used EMA technique.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kFxPuRYSg

    At 2.29, The guy with white top and black pants used was a "head lock leg twist". Didn't know Chen Taiji guys also train that move.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-21-2012 at 02:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Sometime I don't understand why anybody who belongs to the bottom 99% want to vote for those who belong to the top 1%. When I look at TCMA, I then realize the reason.

    Many people believe that IMA training path is superior.
    What compels that belief? What justifies it?

    Even if they are not IMA masters yet, since they believe that if they follow that training path, oneday they will become IMA masters. Those guys will be in favor of the IMA training path.

    Many people don't believe that they will be IMA masters no matter how hard that they may try. They just want to take the safe path by working on heavy bag and throwing dummy. Those guys will be in favor of the EMA training path.

    What's your thought?
    Safe path? Really? Or are you just trolling....? This begs the questions, what makes IMA superior? What shows that it is so?

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    This is the question that I would like to get answer from those who believe in it.

    What make you to believe that if you follow the IMA training path, oneday you will become an IMA master (If you work hard, you wil belong to the top 1% someday)?
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-26-2012 at 04:34 PM.

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    I have found that the only people who believe in the superiority of IMA, are IMA people.

    There are also droves of folks who actually believe that hard work alone gets the job done. I would put them in with the 99%.

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    I am a little bit lost in this discussion

    What make you to believe that if you follow the IMA training path, oneday you will become an IMA master
    Because if we train with good teachers there is often many opportunities to see the teacher, the senior students, etc in sparring or being challenged by other martial artists.

    I have found that the only people who believe in the superiority of IMA, are IMA people.
    If they don't think that the style they practice is superior "for them" then why would they spend time on learning it? We all have the right to have a preference in choosing the right style for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinyidizi View Post
    I am a little bit lost in this discussion ... If they don't think that the style they practice is superior "for them" then why would they spend time on learning it? We all have the right to have a preference in choosing the right style for ourselves.
    Sometime that may be the only style available to that person at that particular point of time.

    The "internal" subject is as old as dirt. Those who belong to the bottom 99% and vote for those who belong to the top 1% make nosense to me. It's election season. Anything that can help those 99% to vote for the right person is always a good thing.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-26-2012 at 06:36 PM.

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    Thumbs up

    What is good is good?

    It does not matter, if it is from internal or external aspect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvQ...ayer_embedded#!

    She sings well.

    She sings well.

    Even though she is from New Zealand.

    Her Chinese may not be prefect.

    But her vocal is good and not missing any note.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Sometime that may be the only style available to that person at that particular point of time.

    The "internal" subject is as old as dirt. Those who belong to the bottom 99% and vote for those who belong to the top 1% make nosense to me. It's election season. Anything that can help those 99% to vote for the right person is always a good thing.
    I guess you are talking about a few decades ago. Now with all this ease in communication and internet everything is different. Those who are serious about learning internal martial arts can easily find the top practitioners of each style on the internet and if they don't have a high level guy in their city they can even learn some basic Chinese and come to China to learn from well recognized masters of each style. Those who are not that serious to make such efforts or sacrifices for learning from the highest level available can not be considered as part of 99% of the IMA community.
    Last edited by xinyidizi; 08-26-2012 at 07:37 PM.

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    When I was a kid I read a lot of books on MA. Some of those were about IMA styles, by Robert W. Smith. For a while, I began to believe that some styles (IMA) must be inherently superior, even though I had never studied anything classified as IMA.

    Later, I began to realize that it's the man or woman, how they were trained, their genetics and lifestyle, etc. I've seen some so-called external MAists who displayed the traits generally considered IMA better than some IMA teachers. I've seen some TKD/Tang Soo Do, Japanese/Okinawan karate, CLF/Hung Gar, and western wrestling practitioners of advanced age who remained very healthy, powerful, and skillful. And some veteran IMA masters who degenerated considerably at the same age or younger. Also seen vice versa.

    Now I only think of MA, not IMA or EMA. Besides, how many people call themselves 'external' MAists? IMO, the IMA/EMA division began more as a way of saying "I am inner door and you are outer door". There is definitely internal training, but most MAs train both to varying degrees, anyway.

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    lol, way to break open a hornets nest John.

    Not like there isn't enough controversy and misinformation about this subject already.

    Republican= American right wing
    Democrat= American left wing
    Libertarian= The fuselage that holds all the people really.
    Canadian= An amused and bemused individual every 4 years when American elections come around and the Canadian notices the obsessive rants of his American acquaintances and friends.
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinyidizi View Post
    If they don't think that the style they practice is superior "for them" then why would they spend time on learning it? We all have the right to have a preference in choosing the right style for ourselves.
    Considering it to be subjectively superior is one thing. But many, if not most "pure" IMA people will claim that it is superior, objectively. But then become indignant when honest, valid criticism is put on the table. Cop-outs usually follow rather than proofs or examples. And they still demand that IMA should be consensually referred to as "superior".

    Brings us back to the questions here: Why do some people consider IMA to be the top 1% (superior)? What shows it to be so?

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