Could you elaborate?Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
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Could you elaborate?
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In the TCMA there is a "分段呼吸法(Fen Duan Hu Xi Fa) - section breathing method". You
- sit in meditation posture.
- rub your hands to make it warm.
- cover your hands over your eyes.
- rotate your eyes clockwise 7 times.
- rotate your eyes counter-clockwise 7 time (all the above has nothing to do with breathing).
You then
- inhale 100% and exhale 100%.
- inhale 1/2, 1/2, exhale 1/2, 1/2.
- inhale 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, exhale 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.
- ...
- inhale 1/7, 1/7, ..., exhale 1/7, 1/7, ...
This way your body can have better understanding how much air that you still have in your lung. For example, if you want to throw 5 fast punches, your body will exhale 1/7 on each punch and still remain 2/7 air in your lung.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-25-2012 at 01:47 PM.
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When we exert and feel that burning feeling it is due to a depletion of oxygen. Most people tend to breath very shallow. Very shallow. They maintain a level of oxygen in their blood to maintain the lazy activity of the moment, but if they suddenly have to burst out with some rapid and extended activity, they burn out quickly. If you breath too deeply all the time you can maintain a greater level of oxygen, but if you do this too quickly you have a higher level that is going to make you woozy and lazy again. Breathing through the nose in and mouth out is something that is more for preventing the intake of objects that can choke you. Hair in the nose acts as a filter and most insects can not be simply drawn in. Breathing deeply by mouth can easily get a large insect down the wind pipe. Also, you can regulate the rate of exhausting. Closing off the outflow makes the air sort of compress, which makes it enter the blood at a slightly higher rate. You can discharge air on impact either when being hit or hitting with a full lung or an almost empty lung, it does the same thing for you. It is best to breath deeply so that you can do a lot of hitting and absorbing on a single breath.
I was taught to breath deeply and at an appropriate rate when I was coming up. It is something you need to develop as a habit so that you do it under all conditions and situations.
Jackie Lee
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Some very interesting posts, especially from You Know Who and Kevin. On the issue of nothing special for breath in combat I suppose in a very real sense this is true. Kevin I really like your point about slack jaw.
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This is true for other arts but not for the Wing Chun that I practice. If your strikes are thrown in clusters then breathing should be natural not timed to your strikes. If you throw more than one strike per second breathing with your strikes is impractical.
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I completely disagree with that. But to each his own. As you know who pointed out, it's done by letting out a controlled amount of air per strike. Again, natural breathing is fine, but if you are looking to achieve at higher levels, I recommend giving it a legitimate try. It is similar to the Kiai in karate without emphasis on vocalization. It adds extra umph to your punches.
I should add, if I am throwing arm punches, then yea, I can't control my breadth in the manner described. If I am throwing with the body, it certainly will work just fine. FYI, I am not disparaging punches with just the arms. They have their place.
Last edited by HumbleWCGuy; 08-25-2012 at 01:55 PM.
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There are Two Basic Breaths we utilize...
-Natural Breathing when fatigued
-Reversed Breath with Adrenaline
Reverese breath you utilize when you can. You must first build it up by high anaerobic sparring, and other drills. Not chi sau but sparring. Ne Way with each strike you exhale. with each uplifting(uprooting) or pulling move you inhale. Upon External Strikes Exhale to dispel the chi.
But doing Reverse Breath will cause you to fatigue eventually depending on your carido and stamina. So use natural and reverse interchangably. Learn how to conserve energy by conserving your breath...
Also build up your wind by doing other exercise while breathing like
low impact drills
-push ups with the breath Up(Breath goes out) Down (Breath comes in)
-strecthing Breath as the muscles looses
-Sit Ups practice the reverse breath
-SLT, CK, and BJ practice reverse breathing "Do the forms fast for anerobic benefit"
- Explosive push ups
-Explosive squats
-Explosive jumps
-Breath Naturally while Jogging, Running up hill and Jumping rope...
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
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Good post. I found an old thread of yours on this subject. 'Sfunny some seem to minimise or guffaw this area of development but as can see, there are things to be known and advantages to be had understanding not only your breathing demeanour but your opponents also.
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Thanks happy Tiger...So what are some of the advantages to utilizing the breath and recognizing your opponents breathing habits...
But I will say this getting off the subject. Some people who are not taught to breath naturally end up holding their breath while sparring...which causess them to get gassed easily and quickly.
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
humble tofu seller
When in combat, I use a two breath in one out method for both chi sau and free fighting and often will 'reverse' breath.
As a 'counter fighter' I like to catch my opponent on the inhale when I can.
In chi sau or any contact I'm very aware of my opponents breath (esp; halitosis)
Like anything in fight, all must happen naturally.
Many times my first hit will be hard to the heart and or sternum. It is often less protected, draws their guard down and especially when caught on the inhale can be very debilitating. I've found fighters breath quite diferently in chi sau than in free fight and take advantage of any and all detected rhythms.
I also train to be hit on inhale to teach my body to bear with.
Of course breathing in grappling is again diferent in scope and rhythm.
Last edited by Happy Tiger; 08-30-2012 at 04:59 PM.
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What you says makes alot of sense. I can honestly say i learned something from this post...Thanks alot for sharing your method...There may be hope for this forum after all with people like you...
When in combat, I use a two breath in one out method for both chi sau and free fighting and often will 'reverse' breath.
As a 'counter fighter' I like to catch my opponent on the inhale when I can.
In chi sau or any contact I'm very aware of my opponents breath (esp; halitosis
Like anything in fight, all must happen naturally.
Many times my first hit will be hard to the heart and or sternum. It is often less protected, draws their guard down and especially when caught on the inhale can be very debilitating. I've found fighters breath quite diferently in chi sau than in free fight and take advantage of any and all detected rhythms.
I also train to be hit on inhale to teach my body to bear with.
Of course breathing in grappling is again diferent in scope and rhythm.
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
humble tofu seller
Nice thing tuh say, man. You ask questions honestly 'cause your interested in what people think. One other little curiosity of combat breathing is synchopation...which is odd but rhythmic patterns in breath between opponents. Funny but fighters often breath in out at the same time, synchronised...and when there not matched, they are synchopated like windscreen wipers get.
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sorry i may need to read this over again...Why is Synchopation mean? You lost me with this last post sorry...not trying to be funny but can you re-word it for me?
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
humble tofu seller
I love playing the harmonica. A chinese invention, the harmonica is the only wind instrument(I suppose, technically it's a reed instrument) which plays notes on the exhale AND inhale. As well, has an entirely different style of playing related to draw (inhale) as opposed to breath (exhale) playing. When I see some one, their breath seems to expand and contract the space around them (negative space) Everyone must breath in. It is not such a fragile...>Negitive< place to be . -it can actually be quite aggressive.
Last edited by Happy Tiger; 09-04-2012 at 06:30 PM.
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If you are in a gun duel, do you inhale or exhale on the draw?
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