Why you shouldn't take strength training advice from TMAists

[YouKnowWho]

I do Woodchops with well over 100lbs quite easily, in fact I often max out the weight stacks on most machines.

The vid you posted YKW is ok, but that weight would do nothing for me personally. There wouldn't be enough stimulus for developing muscle strength.

It's the "release" that I have concern. When I release my pulley in fast speed, that final weight drop can hurt my elbow joint. Of course I can release it in much slow speed, but I won't be able to train the ability that I need - shaking.

I'm not using pulley to develop my muscle. I'm using it to develop my "shaking". In my weight pulley clip, when I release my rope, there is some "delay" there until the weight start to drop and pull me forward. That kind of feeling is what I want to train for.

[IronFist]

I'm not using pulley to develop my muscle. I'm using it to develop my "shaking".

This is why you shouldn't take strength training advice from TMAists.

[YouKnowWho]

This is why you shouldn't take strength training advice from TMAists.

If you just just want to be strong, a 20 years old personal trainner in any gym can help you on that.

[Raipizo]

The day that I had built my weight pulley at home, I put up about 70 lb weight at the end. My teacher said that was too much weight. I then asked him how much weight was proper, he then told me it should be around 45 lb. In the last 3 months, I had increased up to 65 lb. This week I feel my elbow joint may have some injury from the fast pulling. I'll take another week off and go back to my regular 50 lb again. I know from now on I'll stay with 50 lb weight if I still want to maintain my speed. This is an excellent example that old TMAist's knowledge and experience is valuable. If you don't believe it, you may have to use your own body injury to learn your own experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OtpBn9qJs

What do you use to make it?

[YouKnowWho]

What do you use to make it?

- 3 wooden fence poles,
- a cross board,
- a sailboat pulley,
- 30 feet long rope,
- a Karate belt for hands holding,
- 45 lb weight,
- dig a hole.

The longer the rope, the better it will be. This way when you release your rope, it will take more time untill the final weight drop that give you a "surprise" pulling. In the gym, the iron rope for the weight pulley won't create the "wave form" that you need.

[Raipizo]

How about this? Seems a lot cheaper too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KJOyRUjpcU

[Lucas]

you miss the wave form hes talking about though. I think that the main difference is that while both develop strength, John's machine also helps develop a specific martial aspect. Plus you get to dig a hole!!!

[YouKnowWho]

How about this? Seems a lot cheaper too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KJOyRUjpcU

Here is the main discussion issues. We all know that "general strength development" and "special purpose strength development" are both important in combat.

1. Can we kill 2 birds with 1 stone?
2. If we want to do both, can we afford the time?
3. Should we use less weight with fast speed, or heavy weight with slow speed?
4. What should be our priority?

From my personal experience, "heavy weight" and "fast speed" just don't go well to each other.

[Raipizo]

you miss the wave form hes talking about though. I think that the main difference is that while both develop strength, John's machine also helps develop a specific martial aspect. Plus you get to dig a hole!!!

Yup I didn't get what he meant by wave. Ykw is it demonstrated in the YouTube video you sent?

[Raipizo]

You could probably get the same results from that one I posted, all you need is a longer rope. Plus would't the pulling be horrid for your joints? Same reason why you're not supposed to strike fast with weights in your hand.

[Frost]

Here is the main discussion issues. We all know that "general strength development" and "special purpose strength development" are both important in combat.

1. Can we kill 2 birds with 1 stone?
2. If we want to do both, can we afford the time?
3. Should we use less weight with fast speed, or heavy weight with slow speed?
4. What should be our priority?

From my personal experience, "heavy weight" and "fast speed" just don't go well to each other.

1) no you end up with the worst of both worldsbuild a base with general exercises then go specific
2) yes if its important to you
3) you should do both, and typically the stronger you are the more explosive you can be with lighter weights
Siff found that maximum explosion came with 60% of your one rep max, so you increase your one rep max and you increase the weight you can be explosive with, not to mention one half of the explosive equation is teaching your nervous system to contract the maximum amount of muscle as rapidly as possible (which is what heavy lifting does)
4) your priority should be increasing what ever skill or ability is holding you back in sparring

[YouKnowWho]

1) no you end up with the worst of both worlds. build a base with general exercises then go specific.

After I had hurt my elbow 4 times with heavy weight and fast speed, I have to agree with you on this. Also agree with you on the other 3 as well.

Siff found that maximum explosion came with 60% of your one rep max,

That's a good piece information. Thanks for sharing.

[Oso]

The day that I had built my weight pulley at home, I put up about 70 lb weight at the end. My teacher said that was too much weight. I then asked him how much weight was proper, he then told me it should be around 45 lb. In the last 3 months, I had increased up to 65 lb. This week I feel my elbow joint may have some injury from the fast pulling. I'll take another week off and go back to my regular 50 lb again. I know from now on I'll stay with 50 lb weight if I still want to maintain my speed. This is an excellent example that old TMAist's knowledge and experience is valuable. If you don't believe it, you may have to use your own body injury to learn your own experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OtpBn9qJs

hmmm...i have to say the problem i have with this exercise is at the point that the arm is taking the load, the shoulder and elbow are overextended. the elbow is likely to take a slight hyperextension with each stroke and the load at the shoulder is taken completely by tendon and ligament. most especially on the single arm pull.

[gareththomasnz]

This is why all the great champion fighters are feather weight girls

[YouKnowWho]

This is why all the great champion fighters are feather weight girls

I won't call those guys "feather weight girls".

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/5370/changyoung.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img651/2114/changpic01.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2168/mscguy.jpg