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    Yuan was founded by Kublai Khan not Ghengis Khan and certainly not established in the same way as the territories of Ghengis or the other great Khans. Some of the genetic, anthropological and historical ‘knowledge’ in this thread is comedy gold.

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    ....which is why I said:
    (Yuan is basically Ghengis Khan)
    Emphasis on the word "basically". Kublai founded Yuan but he did it using the empire that Ghengis created. Without going to Wikipedia to double check, Kublai was Ghenghis ...er....grandson? In any case, no Ghengis, no Yuan dynasty. Kublai never created the war machine. He only inherited it. He was, perhaps, the greater statesman but, IMHO, not so much of a conqueror (by comparison anyways)

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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    With regards to China (not speaking about the Polynesians) it's pretty simple and only indirectly related to cold weather.

    Mongolians are taller because they are not even ethnicly Chinese. Chinese, Han Chinese especially, are basically decended from sedentary subsitance agriculural stock. ie. they are famers. Mongolians, OTOH, are decended from nomads. Central Asian nomads survive by riding and taming horses, hunting, going to war a lot and so on, all extremely stuff that demands a lot of physical size and strength.

    Northern Han Chinese are a lot taller than southern Han Chinese mainly just because they have a lot more Mongolian (and Manchurian for that matter) DNA. Mongolian hoards had been coming down from the north and raping and pillaging for 1000+ years and probably other than the Yuan dynasty, never really made it to southern China. Sure, there's the Qing (also essentially horseback riding nomads) but the Qing didn't sweep across the whole country raping and killing everyone to the degree the Yuan did. (Yuan is basically Ghengis Khan)

    Horseback warrior culture = big and strong
    Peasant farmer culture = little dudes.

    Also, mountain peoples are almost always short while plains people are almost always tall. Short means you get tired less easily climbing mountains. Tall means you can run and cover distance well even helps running down prey to exhaustion.

    The temperature thing is incidental.
    cool story bro

    these mongols sure look big and trong. look like they can rape many goats.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIyxEpX_hNY
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    You post the wrong video by mistake?

    That's in Qinghai. It's northern China at least but not Mongolia and not Mongolian. That's a Hui area.

    I was thinking, more like this:

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    so average Mongolian looks like roided up national champion wrestlers

    lol ok

    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    You post the wrong video by mistake?

    That's in Qinghai. It's northern China at least but not Mongolia and not Mongolian. That's a Hui area.
    they mongols bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    ....which is why I said:


    Emphasis on the word "basically". Kublai founded Yuan but he did it using the empire that Ghengis created. Without going to Wikipedia to double check, Kublai was Ghenghis ...er....grandson? In any case, no Ghengis, no Yuan dynasty. Kublai never created the war machine. He only inherited it. He was, perhaps, the greater statesman but, IMHO, not so much of a conqueror (by comparison anyways)
    Not really keen for an all out history nerd battle but in short, Kublai was nothing much at all like Genghis Khan and he did not follow the established practice of wiping out the population of defeated cities, nor promote rape and general pillage. He assimilated to such a degree and placed so much importance on reunifying and ruling China that he never even formally controlled Mongolia during his life. Even the warfare tactics he used were nothing much like his grandfather's, neither was the structure of his government or military so I don't know about inheriting his war machine either...

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    When you have a steppe people invading a city/state apparatus, the invader, will over time absorb the habits of that city/state apparatus. It has never failed!
    When the Qing invaded from Manchuria, they became that city/state and their lifestyle changed accordingly. Perhaps the outside regiments and their supports retained the steppe warrior psyche and ethos but essentially the same happened when the the Turkic tribes invaded and conquered Byzantium. They pillaged, raped and became the force. Magyar tribes became present day Hungary!

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