New Shi De Yang DVD ?

[Xian]

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDM2MjY1MDYw.html

If so, that looks nice..


Best regards,
Xian

[LFJ]

Not new. It is a clip from the special features that are on various forms DVDs. The DVDs are just teaching the regular forms, same as the old ones, but with much better production. They also come with a book.

[Xian]

Not new. It is a clip from the special features that are on various forms DVDs. The DVDs are just teaching the regular forms, same as the old ones, but with much better production. They also come with a book.

Thanks I thought it might be new as I didnt found it on plumpup or ebay.

Best regards,
Xian

[LFJ]

They are relatively new I guess, produced by Chengdu Times Publishing House a couple years ago, in 2010 or so. They are sold in book stores in China, and on Chinese websites. He showed me a couple and said he was making them because he's not teaching personally anymore, except for seminars abroad from time to time. So if people want to learn, there it is...

They are books with DVD inserts. The books and DVDs both show jibengong like stances, kicking, hand shapes, etc., and then the main form in detail, but the book has more cultural information as well. Applications are not shown. It's just a reteaching of the old videos with (much) better production.

The DVD's have English subtitle options, but the books are only in Chinese. So you'll be missing the cultural and historical information there if you don't read Chinese.

There is one on Shaolin Mizongquan (迷踪- Lost-track) and one on Shaolin Mizong Dianxue Shengong (密宗- Secret Sect).

[LFJ]

Wouldn't that be something... It's really more for people who just want to learn the art for physical and mental health training. Details don't matter. So they are pretty much the same as the older series, just with much better production, and the accompanying book of information.

There are several international schools he has been working with and has kind of passed the torch to them. So if one really wants to learn the legit student versions with applications, there are still people to learn them from.

The only video I remember showing the full set in detail was Dahongquan, but his older video series pretty much showed the real set as well, as far as I recall. That was his specialty. The places where he glosses over movements when performing the set are broken down in the instruction part, but he did that in the older series as well.

There were some in the old series that weren't too badly watered down, but others like Xiaohongquan were stripped bare.

[Xian]

Did anybody found it on a english website ?

Best regards,
Xian

[Xian]

@LFJ

Not the MiZong Quan one, but another interesting one, here's the TaiZu Chang Quan DVD of this series:
Shao Lin Tai Zu Chang Quan (DVD + Book) (yesasia.com)

So did I understand you correctly that it is bascially the same material with some added new material on it ? Or is everything refilmed, also with a new performer doing the form ?

Because for example I have his old Taizu Chang Quan one and I was really not satisfied by the performance of the form.


Best regards,
Xian

[LFJ]

This one just came out but they should all follow the same format. They begin by covering the basics of Shaolin stances, hand shapes, kicking methods, etc.. This is all shown the same in each book as well. Then the individual set is taught and performed by Shi Deyang himself with no other people. He might mention an application "idea" or two as he explains the set, but doesn't demonstrate them.

So in that sense it's the same as the older series, but the film is great DVD quality and pretty closeup. I haven't seen them all to know if the sets are altered in a different way than the older series. I know last year he went to visit Liang Yiquan to "brush up" on his Taizu Changquan, since he's the current master of this set. But I'm not sure how he might present the sets this time. I'm sure they will be "marked" in some way, as usual.

[Xian]

This one just came out but they should all follow the same format. They begin by covering the basics of Shaolin stances, hand shapes, kicking methods, etc.. This is all shown the same in each book as well. Then the individual set is taught and performed by Shi Deyang himself with no other people. He might mention an application "idea" or two as he explains the set, but doesn't demonstrate them.

That sounds good. The last Taizu Chang Quan DVD was not demonstrated by him. As you might know De Yang gave a few historical explanations and that was it. The performer was someone who had trained alot but he didnt want or he didnt could perform it like it should. But maybe I compare to much with the short glimpse you can see of Shi Heng Juns Taizu Chang Quan. Would love to see a full demonstration of him doing this set.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv7dwQswHW8&feature=plcp

So in that sense it's the same as the older series, but the film is great DVD quality and pretty closeup. I haven't seen them all to know if the sets are altered in a different way than the older series. I know last year he went to visit Liang Yiquan to "brush up" on his Taizu Changquan, since he's the current master of this set. But I'm not sure how he might present the sets this time. I'm sure they will be "marked" in some way, as usual.

Thats goes fine for me. Even I was not the best student, I had a few good teachers who did a great job, so I still think I will make something of it, till I am able to find someone to teach me the real stuff. Here in Germany I know a student of Liu Baoshans school. But he does not teach Taizu Chang Quan or Renshou Tong Bi Quan, which are two arts where I am reallly interested in, so I have to wait little. And he lifes somewhat 8 hours away from me :P



Best regards,
Xian

[LFJ]

Taizu Changquan is great. It became one of my specialty sets along with Xiaoluohanquan.

Here is Shi Deyang performing Taizu Changquan at a seminar in Uruguay last year, done kind of slowly for demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFJFeJZxJjg

[Xian]

Taizu Changquan is great. It became one of my specialty sets along with Xiaoluohanquan.

Here is Shi Deyang performing Taizu Changquan at a seminar in Uruguay last year, done kind of slowly for demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFJFeJZxJjg

Thanks :-)

[Xian]

demonstration video: 少林小罗汉拳 (Shaolin Xiao Luohan quan [by Shi De Yang]) (youku.com)

pictorial demonstration from the accompanying book: http://www.qqgfw.com/KungfuArticleLi...ArticleID=4665

the link to buy it in Amazon.cn: http://www.amazon.cn/少林小罗汉拳/dp/B005FODGXO


one can find the materials of other titles by searching their Chinese names.

Nice find,thanks :-)

[Hanak]

Are the dvd's not just to show the form?

Can you really learn it from a DVD?
Details are not important in the first step of learning.
But a monk said once that it thake 8 years to know and understand your form.

So learning from a DVD is not something for me!

I have some De Yang Dvd's, also with those books included and yeah not only in chinese but those books are in eng to. "some of them".

But after a few years I just collect them to see the form from a real master.

Each teacher show's he's form different anyway, so what use is it to learn it from the dvd. If you go to your school the form will have different moves, but all basic stance ect stay's offcourse.

[Hanak]

If somebody wants to learn Shaolin kung fu it has some requirements. Those western "TEACHERS" I don't believe to know something useful of traditional wushu:

if you want to develop martial power, OK, its manual has been published by reverend monk Miao Xing; do those teachers know anything of these methods? no for sure, very rarely;

to train Qigong? OK! its manual has been published by Yang Jwing Ming; do those teachers even know what Qi is? absolutely NO!

to learn the forms and techniques? OK! what you can learn from those DVDs (together with the information that can be found in the internet about those techniques and styles, like the discussions of this forum) is for sure much more original and reliable than what those teachers have learned.

what about the philosophy and historical facts? OK, internet is the best to learn from. everybody is sure that most those myths about kung fu said by non-Chinese and even many Chinese teachers are nothing more than some schizophrenic ideas!

of course those schools are in some aspects useful. because one may cannot have access to a "real" teacher or to sufficient resources to do what must be done. (I also add that even the Shaolin monks who are well-known for us also have not been taught in true Shaolin training regimes, for example, for sure, most of them cannot show you an objective demonstration of their internal energy Qi!!!! which is something fundamental for a true Shaolin practitioner. and as another example, most of them have not trained the methods of improving martial power, but only form and form and form...) there are REAL masters, of course all over China and sometimes in other countries. but to distinguish whether someone is a REAL teacher itself needs at least a few years of study in a fierce manner! and albeit, with or without master, that monk had been right about needing at least 8 years to master a form, though it would be really more than 10 years! again I say I'm a beginner, not a skilled practitioner. may other users correct me if I'm wrong. thanks.

Well in some way you are right, but in some way you type it n some wrong way i gues.

Lett me explain what I mean.

You tell if I understand it right, some people only learn form form form form.
And notting about Qi or Chan or the complete shaolin system.

Because Shaolin Kung Fu is more then just FORMS!

But you say western teachers are lower level then Shaolin Monks itself.
But the point here is, as a beginner you have to start somewhere.

And search the path what is best for you.
Some western person who study in shaolin a few years, who also live there.
Said once try to get more info from various teachers and not only 1.

The point what i like to tell is, everyone have to find there own way.

For some students its perfect with a western teacher and only forms forms forms.
For others, they like more and deeply.

Who is wrong and who is right?

[LFJ]

demonstration video: 少林小罗汉拳 (Shaolin Xiao Luohan quan [by Shi De Yang]) (youku.com)

pictorial demonstration from the accompanying book: http://www.qqgfw.com/KungfuArticleLi...ArticleID=4665

This performance is even stronger than the older series! But it is the same, almost legit, with only a few parts that are different. Some just minor details. This is one set I worked very hard on in great detail a couple years ago when I was told to pick two sets to "specialize" in.

As in the older series, the second posture, "Purple Swallows Pairing in Flight" 紫燕双飞, is done with a jump into pubu, which you should not do because it is completely useless in this technique and takes away all the power in the movement.

If you can read Chinese, the book explains the correct way to do this movement. You turn your body to the right and lift the hands over your head with your chest up, and raise your right knee high. Then stomp down with the right foot, and simultaneously shoot your left leg out into pubu and quickly pull the hands down and back into the final position.

This should be done blindingly fast. From the first posture, as soon as your hands hit bottom in the cross position they should shoot up as you turn right. Raising the right knee and stomping, shouldn't be done slowly, with a pause at the top, but just in a split second. Lift and stomp. Then shoot out to the final position in pubu. The palms should be open, as shown here. I think in the older series he did it with fists.

The second movement that is different is turning around after the drunken arhat steps into gongbu and left punch, "Drawing the Bow and Shooting the Arrow" 拉弓射箭. Again, just turning around straight into gongbu takes away the power in the movement. You should quickly unwind your stance first into mabu with arms crossed, then forcefully pop the hips into gongbu as you punch. This sharp turn in the hips is where the power comes from. You can't just turn around into gongbu and punch or there's no power.

Right after this, instead of hopping up and lightly stepping back into xiebu, the right foot should stomp back onto the line the set runs. The rest of the movement is the same. It just needs more power. It's kind of flowery done that way.

Then following the two pubu switches, coming up into the right leg kick you should "brush off" the legs with both hands. This is a small but important detail left out. First as you come up the right hand brushes off the outside of the right thigh, then the left hand on the left thigh as you lift it for the jump.

Also, on the xiebu with a chop, such as at the beginning and after the chuaitui part, the arm shouldn't go straight, but maintain a curve so the palm is held parallel to the ground at about waist level.

The rest is pretty much the same overall.