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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Dasargo View Post
    I just introduced some Mantis Boxing Gou Bu tripping techniques to my students:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlgkC09lWC0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMoheLPVUyk
    Nice entry with the hook step (7 star step).

    Convenient followup can be shin bite into circle entering step.

    Or ankle pick, jump into dun pak take down. Similar to Small Framework Form where crossgrab punch kick jumps into dip jang takedown near the end.

    Good to see Christian still training!

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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    That's the transition from seven star step to bow and arrow stance.

    We do partner exercise in various stance positions and try to lever the other guy down while he resists.
    BTW, I meant to ask awhile ago.... What's the 7star step(I see you called it a hook step)? Anything to do with 7star mantis? Got sidetracked with YKW's lineage

    I am familiar with many steps and stances, but I can't name them all, and sometimes there is like 40 names for one thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn7 View Post
    What's the 7star step?
    Heel down, toes up, knee bend.

    The "knee bend" is important. Some people keep knee straight which is wrong.

    This is not 7 star.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi8dR-IEbcc
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Heel down, toes up, knee bend.

    The "knee bend" is important. Some people keep knee straight which is wrong.

    This is not 7 star.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi8dR-IEbcc
    I would hate to get side stomped with my front toe up but knee not bent... UUgg ouch!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn7 View Post
    BTW, I meant to ask awhile ago.... What's the 7star step(I see you called it a hook step)? Anything to do with 7star mantis? Got sidetracked with YKW's lineage

    I am familiar with many steps and stances, but I can't name them all, and sometimes there is like 40 names for one thing.
    Mike D. calls it gou bu which looks like romanization for "hook step". Some Mantis will call it 7 Star step.

    It is a transitional step that can be used for hooking, tripping, or trapping the other person's footwork.

    Some people do it in a very static or dead way, or they just stand there posing in a stance. To me, that is a sign of not having progressed past the beginner stage of learning rudimentary basic form.

    I want my students to be able to whip out a 7 Star step while in a full sprint and transition to leg trap/control smoothly without stumble or hesitation. Otherwise it won't be fully useable in a fight.

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    Great stepping technique drills Michael Dasargo! Every time I learn something from the videos!


    I know this is not the same Seven Star, it's Shaolin Seven Star boxing, but are these three sweeping kicks at around 0:26 a similar thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2awOCDRtrc
    Last edited by Sima Rong; 10-04-2012 at 10:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sima Rong View Post
    Great stepping technique drills Michael Dasargo! Every time I learn something from the videos!


    I know this is not the same Seven Star, it's Shaolin Seven Star boxing, but are these three sweeping kicks at around 0:26 a similar thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2awOCDRtrc
    When you see single leg stance, it can be a knee attack. It can also be a raising hooking leg trap or throw. You can see by his hands that he is throwing. You can enter from 7 star step.

    Here is wrist lock with single leg stance throw. The person escapes and is chased down with americana lock variation and circle entering step takedown. That is the speed it needs to be applied to be useable.



    Here is 7 star step.



    Here is single leg.



    Here is circle entering.


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    Gotcha. Thanx. I am familiar with the movement. never heard it called Hook Step or 7Star Step. The problem is that I always get the Chinese names and I can never remember them. lol. They try, I just have trouble remembering Chinese words. I'm bad with names in general. I'm always busy thinking about the move when they are trying to teach me names. I always end up making up funny names that sound like what I was told they are.

    Is it called hook step coz it sweeps out(or in, depending on your perspective)?

    When you say americana, you talkin key lock? Reverse of what the gracies call a kimura?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn7 View Post
    Is it called hook step coz it sweeps out(or in, depending on your perspective)?

    When you say americana, you talkin key lock? Reverse of what the gracies call a kimura?
    I've always known it as 7 star step. In Cantonese, it's chut sing bo.

    Lots of terms. More important to remember/know the usage of the move.

    Yes, Americana, keylock, paintbrush. The one where the hand is up instead of down.

    Funny that a Praying Mantis TCMA form has an Americana with takedown in it. A lot of people don't know that about that move in the set. Everyone assumes that it is a weird palm strike. Mantis likes to snap that grapple move in place for the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sima Rong View Post
    three sweeping kicks at around 0:26 a similar thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2awOCDRtrc
    Around 0:26 is "粘(Zhan) - sticking kick".

    The following 4 moves should be trained as a group and should be trained in the order of 1,2,3,4.

    1. 撮(Cuo) - scooping kick (7 star stance).
    2. 咬(Yao) - Shin Bite.
    3. 粘(Zhan) - sticking kick.
    4. 踢(Ti) - forward kick (foot sweep).

    Many people train "踢(Ti) - forward kick (foot sweep)" before others. They can never master their "踢(Ti) - forward kick (foot sweep)" that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Around 0:26 is "粘(Zhan) - sticking kick". You can notice the bending knee. It's different from the foot sweep which the knee is locked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2awOCDRtrc
    Sticking is a good method to use with the leg trapping.

    Better than crashing and knocking the leg out of your control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    Nice entry with the hook step (7 star step).

    Convenient followup can be shin bite into circle entering step.

    Or ankle pick, jump into dun pak take down. Similar to Small Framework Form where crossgrab punch kick jumps into dip jang takedown near the end.

    Good to see Christian still training!
    Thanks breda. Yeah, Chan is a good kid, but my tiger Mom side sees the B+ student who doesn't study. He can be so much better.

    I've only recently started calling it hook step, because then we spend more time doing reps than having to answer the question, "why is it called 7 star step?"

    But yeah, proper term in TLQ is 7 Star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Dasargo View Post
    Thanks breda. Yeah, Chan is a good kid, but my tiger Mom side sees the B+ student who doesn't study. He can be so much better.
    "We born you here in America, just so you can get B+ ?!!?!??"

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The following 4 moves should be trained as a group and should be trained in the order of 1,2,3,4.

    1. 撮(Cuo) - scooping kick (7 star stance).
    2. 咬(Yao) - Shin Bite.
    3. 粘(Zhan) - sticking kick.
    4. 踢(Ti) - forward kick (foot sweep).
    Nice. I can see how that will develop good skill more quickly.

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