No Style

[SIFU RON]

Why can we train like this - no style? Your thought?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsLkqwQrCS8

This is an excellent example of tradional Jiu-Jitsu , very good moves that work well.

Thank you.

[Syn7]

And after they throw eachother around, they let off some steam with a lil bit of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bxG...feature=fvwrel

[YouKnowWho]

he tries to map taiji push hands into combat. taijiquan is chen village hong quan. theres no burden.

Trying to map any move in any TCMA form to application is always a "burden". Why not just go direct to application? Which style of which form has a groin kick followed by a face punch? Why should you care? Just do it and put it into your form if you want to.

[omarthefish]

And after they throw eachother around, they let off some steam with a lil bit of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bxG...feature=fvwrel

And you know it had to happen eventually:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6A7xnv6mQk

[bawang]

Trying to map any move in any TCMA form to application is always a "burden". Why not just go direct to application?

because i like the culture and deep history of the forms.

[YouKnowWho]

because i like the culture and deep history of the forms.

Whatever that we do today, 1000 years from now will become culture and history. Why don't we just create culture and history today?

[Kellen Bassette]

Whatever that we do today, 1000 years from now will become culture and history. Why don't we just create culture and history today?

I think of that a lot...I'm pretty intrigued by original techniques and ancient forms too...but if I develop a form today and teach many students, in 3 generations it will probably be considered traditional...at one point they were all modern concoctions.

[David Jamieson]

Whatever that we do today, 1000 years from now will become culture and history. Why don't we just create culture and history today?

We are creating culture and history today, but like most fish, we don't know we're in water.

[bawang]

Whatever that we do today, 1000 years from now will become culture and history. Why don't we just create culture and history today?

because i have love for what my ancestors created. its my duty to uphold the culture and values of my people.

[YouKnowWho]

Forms are more intelligent than martial arts fads.

Not necessary!

If you spar/wrestle 15 rounds daily, it won't take long for you to figure out what you like to do and what you don't like to do. You then look back your forms and you may find out that you only apply 10% information from your form. What's wrong with the other 90% of your form? If you will never use the other 90% of your form in spar/wrestling then why spend time to train it?

If you always use front kick to move in, when your opponent

- refuses to move back his leading leg, you sweep his leg. You then use his leading arm to jam his back arm, and punch his head.
- moves back his leading leg, you roundhouse kick his belly. You then jab and cross at your opponent's head.

Whether your kick, sweep, or roundhouse kick work or not, you get your opponent to pay attention on your legs. This will give you a better chance to set up your punches.

Now you have 2 combos with 4 moves that can map into combat reality without any modification. If you link these 2 combos as 8 moves sequence, you get yourself a new solo form.

- What's the difference between this new form vs. your other TCMA forms?
- Why such combo cannot be found in any TCMA forms (at least I haven't found yet)?
- Do you prefer to spend more training time in this new form or your TCMA forms?
- What style should you call your 8 moves new form?
- Does it matter whether you connect combo 2 after combo 1, or combo 1 after combo 2?
- Will people consider your 8 moves sequence as TCMA form 1000 years from today?
- Will you call the new 8 moves sequence have more intelligent than the TCMA forms or the other way around?

Onething for sure is, if everybody train these 8 moves sequence, nobody will say that TCMA is not combat effective.

[Robinhood]

Why can we train like this - no style? Your thought?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsLkqwQrCS8

I guess you need to know the difference between style, art and combat, and what they mean and how they apply to your training.

(not sport which is another category of its own creation)

[pazman]

Forms are more intelligent than martial arts fads.

What do you consider martial arts fads?

Why should those outside of China not consider forms as martial arts fads?

[Syn7]

Whatever that we do today, 1000 years from now will become culture and history. Why don't we just create culture and history today?

Actually, whatever we do today creates culture and history today. Moment to moment. It's helpful to have a long outlook on life, but you also need to hit up the other end of that spectrum for true understanding.

[Syn7]

Forms are more intelligent than martial arts fads.

Wait, lemme guess......

This is starting to get real old, guys. It's starting to look like jealousy with a strong dish of excuses. Old isn't better.

If my assumption is wrong, I appologize for jumping to conclusions. Tell me I'm wrong? Name your pet peeve fad!

[YouKnowWho]

Is old always better than the modern?

Here is the old Tantui #1 - elbow strike, hook punch, groin kick, face punch 4 moves combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TouNy4Rvg_0

Here is the modern front kick, foot sweep, push leaging arm to jam back arm, head lock 4 moves combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POr5jnJQVns

Will you say that old is always better than the modern?

Principle is the mother of technique.

Should form be abstract or concrete? The "hip throw" and "shoulder throw" have similiar body motion. Both require to bend upper body down. The only difference is the hands position. If your form has a forward bending move that can be mapped into either hip throw or shoulder throw, do you want to maintain the level of abstraction so it can cover both throws, or should you just map into either hip throw or shoulder throw but not both?