High Tolerances to Dit Da Jow???

[TAO YIN]

Strange question but nonetheless... Is it possible for people to develop a high tolerance for Dit Da Jow over a period of time? Does it work like basically any drug or alcohol? Do people develop a tolerance for it over time and therefore need more and more? If so, does using different kinds of jow negate such tolerance?

My meaning here is like a person who is a heavy beer drinker. They simply need more and more beer to get drunk...But then, they have a shot of Everclear, and their not being drunk enough problem is solved...

Mr. Dugas, I was hoping you could chime in on this please.

Cheers,

Tao

[GeneChing]

I'm allergic to ditdajow because I used too much of it in my youth. I know many others that are in the same situation as me. It's pretty common, actually.

[TAO YIN]

Gene,

Thanks for the reply. Do you know what specific ingredients you are allergic to? One day did you just break out with a big rash, or many times, or just gradually? What were your experiences?

I have never developed any kind of allergies to jow and of course hope not to...I was mainly asking because lately the stand by jow that I use doesn't seem to have any kind of the same effect that it used to. There is nothing wrong with the jow as far as it being diluted, old, or whatever. I just don't get anywhere near the same results..

[Dale Dugas]

I feel you can get used to certain formulas and if you have used them for a long time, you might find a switch to another formula can work wonders. Some formulas are not that strong.

Some people develop a form of contact dermatitis to Dit Da Jow and cannot use it.

You can add Er Cha 30 grams or She Chuang Zi 30 grams to help deal with the allergic type reactions to medicines.

I have had only one person get irritated using my liniment and they had very sensitive skin.

[Warrior_Man]

She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin, something Dale failed to mention. For this reason, I would strongly advise consulting someone with actual credentials and experience regarding Dit Da Jow as improper use can lead to serious injury.

[Dale Dugas]

Anytime you want to post up your Chinese medical credentials over my own. Please feel free to do so.

Until then you are nothing that you claim you are.

Please do not listen to anything this person says. He is untrained and unlicensed in Chinese herbs.

[Warrior_Man]

Stop mouthherbing cupcake. TAO YIN, I was taught by my master, but take a look at this website if you need further information on this clearly misunderstood seed - http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

[Dale Dugas]

This really has gone on long enough.



Unless you have a license and can prove you are a person and not some screen name and that you have an actual license, you can stop pretending to be something you are not.

[Warrior_Man]

More mouthherbing from cupcake. Stop acting like a fortune cookie, you're embarrassing yourself. That looks like a fake to me - I've known LOTS of people buy these sort of tinpot documents from markets and salesfolk in Hong Kong. Here's another website confirming what I stated earlier - http://www.naturopathydigest.com/nut...idium_seed.php

EDIT - Dale has just taken down the document in question after reading my comment above.

[GeneChing]

Do you know what specific ingredients you are allergic to? One day did you just break out with a big rash, or many times, or just gradually? What were your experiences?

I described my situation in detail in my book, Shaolin Trips. Basically, I was being treated at Shaolin, and had a tremendous reaction, which resulted in cellutis. It was pretty horrific, but fortunately it didn't manifest fully until I was leaving China. I had to go straight from SFO to the emergency room.

Therein lies one of the greatest hazards of dit da jow. It's completely unregulated, especially in America. TCMer could put rat **** in it and how would you know?

Now I get a reaction from a lot of topical liniments. For a while, I worked with a few TCM/Kung Fu people to try and identify what specifically I was allergic to, but it seems to be a gestalt of ingredients. So I abandoned dit da jow. If I need some sort of topical relief, there are so many other products for pain, soreness and bruising available - from Western scientifical stuff like Ben Gay, to classic herbal remedies like arnica blends, to aryuvedic recipes that are as venerated as dit da jow. I do miss dit da jow as that stuff was the bomb, but I had to move on.

[Warrior_Man]

Therein lies one of the greatest hazards of dit da jow. It's completely unregulated, especially in America. TCMer could put rat **** in it and how would you know?

Totally agree, that is why it is worth seeing a specialist, and not someone who suggests herbs without a full understanding of the dangers.

[Faruq]

I described my situation in detail in my book, Shaolin Trips. Basically, I was being treated at Shaolin, and had a tremendous reaction, which resulted in cellutis. It was pretty horrific, but fortunately it didn't manifest fully until I was leaving China. I had to go straight from SFO to the emergency room.

Therein lies one of the greatest hazards of dit da jow. It's completely unregulated, especially in America. TCMer could put rat **** in it and how would you know?

Now I get a reaction from a lot of topical liniments. For a while, I worked with a few TCM/Kung Fu people to try and identify what specifically I was allergic to, but it seems to be a gestalt of ingredients. So I abandoned dit da jow. If I need some sort of topical relief, there are so many other products for pain, soreness and bruising available - from Western scientifical stuff like Ben Gay, to classic herbal remedies like arnica blends, to aryuvedic recipes that are as venerated as dit da jow. I do miss dit da jow as that stuff was the bomb, but I had to move on.

So what do you use for your iron palm and fist training, Gene?

[GeneChing]

I don't train Iron Palm anymore. I only dabbled in it back when I wasn't allergic. I was never that into it, personally, despite many of my classmates who were obsessed with it. I just work bags and do conditioning.

[Faruq]

Not even fist training with the BBs in the wall bag? Well, I'd have to think most MMA'ers train like you, and can kick much butt as well so you're still in good company.

[GeneChing]

And I wouldn't dare claim that I trained like an MMA fighter. Not even close nowadays. I'm way too old and broken.