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    Should grappler run?

    Running will make your feet to float. It's much easier to take down a runner than to take down a non-runner. It will reduce your ability to resist any throw.

    In the ancient time, the "low stand wide step fast walking - upper leg to be parallel to the ground" was used to replace the running training.

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    Running long distances doesn't do much for martial arts except teach you to work through pain. Most "sport" guys do interval training to supplement their cardio. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is a better workout than grappling, anyway. The only way to get in grappling shape is to do it a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    Nothing, and I mean nothing, is a better workout than grappling, anyway. The only way to get in grappling shape is to do it a lot.
    It will be fun to be able to spar/wrestle 15 rounds daily. Sometime partners are just hard to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    It will be fun to be able to spar/wrestle 15 rounds daily. Sometime partners are just hard to find.
    15 rounds is nuts. We do five 5-minute rounds with 1 min breaks, and even then people throw up sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Running will make your feet to float. It's much easier to take down a runner than to take down a non-runner. It will reduce your ability to resist any throw.

    In the ancient time, the "low stand wide step fast walking - upper leg to be parallel to the ground" was used to replace the running training.

    http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3669/lowwalk.jpg

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    Running is good and I do not mean marathon running!
    It help cardiovascular conditioning and the long slow distance (25-30) minites periodic 2-4x/week should complement the other parts of conditioning i.e. workout, flexibility, stretching, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    15 rounds is nuts.
    You use force in your first 10 rounds. In your last 5 rounds you truly understand how to use Sung, yield, sticky, borrow force, ...

    This is why a wrestler doesn't talk about brute force, borrow force. When you are truly tired, you have no brute force to use but try to borrow your opponent's force.
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    Here we can see a 400 lb Sumo wrestler ran Marathon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm07iPOl4ko

    This one is funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7XW9CUhkQs
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-24-2012 at 02:44 PM.
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    yes they should, and they continue to do so and will do as long as its useful for them and gets results, running helps work the energy systems needed for wrestling in an indirect manner and can also help recovery, it all depends on duration and intensity as to what the effect with be

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    in northern kung fu jogging and sprinting were important training for battlefield fighting. jogging was important for fast moving army, sprinting is important for developing a good charge. northern martial arts emphasize the charge, the first strike, and speed.

    southern kung fu emphasizes running less because they were mainly navy and heavy infantry. southern heavy infantry walks slowly towards the enemy, and emphasizes prolonged melee combat.
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    I never found ANY carry over in grappling from all my running. It is just a completely different type of exercise. More full body.

    It gets easier once you learn to relax and flow, but once you get those guys that use all muscle you are gassed again just from trying to get over powered
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    I think sprints are more applicable to wrestling than LD running. There are better ways to get aerobic exercise. I doubt LD running would hurt you that much if you also practice other things to keep your base strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Running will make your feet to float. It's much easier to take down a runner than to take down a non-runner. It will reduce your ability to resist any throw.

    In the ancient time, the "low stand wide step fast walking - upper leg to be parallel to the ground" was used to replace the running training.

    http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3669/lowwalk.jpg

    Today, people may have ignored this issue.

    What's your thought?
    We have a limited time and energy to practice MA. Anything that fails to keep the fighting structure is a waste of time and can be replaced by something more beneficial.

    Usually I practice my lines until I can't step fast enough and fajin properly. If have more energy I do more lines why would I want to waste my energy on running?
    Last edited by xinyidizi; 12-24-2012 at 11:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinyidizi View Post
    We have a limited time and energy to practice MA. Anything that fails to keep the fighting structure is a waste of time and can be replaced by something more beneficial.

    Usually I practice my lines until I can't step fast enough and fajin properly. If have more energy I do more lines why would I want to waste my energy on running?
    I guess that depends, are you only a grappler, or are you a grappler and a striker? Running is very beneficial to the striking arts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    I guess that depends, are you only a grappler, or are you a grappler and a striker? Running is very beneficial to the striking arts.
    Both. My main style is Xinyi which is all about very fast steps that even may look like running but unlike normal running they never lose the proper structure and root.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinyidizi View Post
    Both. My main style is Xinyi which is all about very fast steps that even may look like running but unlike normal running they never lose the proper structure and root.
    The main benefits of running are endurance through training cardio and building leg strength. I suppose it could help a little with agility..but there are much better drills for that.

    I would think the important thing is that you are getting a good cardio workout and building a strong foundation, (legs)....running is a popular way to go about it, but there are hundreds of other exercises that are means to the same ends.

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