Wing chun vids share please take 2

[GlennR]

Oh right its way more to prove you can ko a guy your weight and size ...alone in a ring.

So youve done this?

I have fought " more than one " ( not giving #'s ) for bragging comebacks," using VT...usually 2 against me. Sometimes all out western bar scene fights....It amazes me how guys dismiss real combat versus sporting gloved, no weapons at all competition...for combat. Like guys who simulate fighting tellin combat veterans what to do in a real event...

No one "dismisses" your experience's Kevin but, just like your PB clip deluge, constantly harping on about your real world experiences to espouse your style of WC is like listening to the boy who cried wolf.... attention much??

Have you ever faced a group of squaddies on a **** up ??

No.... but then i dont know what a squaddie is

Reality TV should get this event public. it will make the UFC seem like a playground, never mind knives. Oh wait there are no weapons in one on one fights...so my knife fighting training is redundant ?

Gee Kev, you should teach self defense

[k gledhill]

Glenn you're so much more than me for your ring experience. Please tell me how you would deal with 3 guys in the ring at once ? Your ring experience should help me there. Or 4 guys outside a bar at closing you have never seen, suited up, quiet.......you ask them to leave....one pulls a knife on you...how will your ring experience help me Glenn ?? I would like to hear your ideas. Wait!! I know. I have no fight record with a guy you have seen on TV .

[LaRoux]

Oh right its way more to prove you can ko a guy your weight and size ...alone in a ring.
I have fought " more than one " ( not giving #'s ) for bragging comebacks," using VT...usually 2 against me. Sometimes all out western bar scene fights....It amazes me how guys dismiss real combat versus sporting gloved, no weapons at all competition...for combat. Like guys who simulate fighting tellin combat veterans what to do in a real event...
Have you ever faced a group of squaddies on a **** up ?? Reality TV should get this event public. it will make the UFC seem like a playground, never mind knives. Oh wait there are no weapons in one on one fights...so my knife fighting training is redundant ?

Glenn you're so much more than me for your ring experience. Please tell me how you would deal with 3 guys in the ring at once ? Your ring experience should help me there. Or 4 guys outside a bar at closing you have never seen, suited up, quiet.......you ask them to leave....one pulls a knife on you...how will your ring experience help me Glenn ?? I would like to hear your ideas. Wait!! I know. I have no fight record with a guy you have seen on TV .
Wanker.

In the above posts, it seems as if you are claiming that you are somehow an expert in fighting multiple opponents with weapons.

In another post, you asked someone to step up, I believe.

I propose this: How about you fight those you are arguing with at the same time with them also having weapons?

Somehow I get the feeling that you probably wouldn't fare so well as you claim to have in the past.

[GlennR]

Glenn you're so much more than me for your ring experience. Please tell me how you would deal with 3 guys in the ring at once ? Your ring experience should help me there. Or 4 guys outside a bar at closing you have never seen, suited up, quiet.......you ask them to leave....one pulls a knife on you...how will your ring experience help me Glenn ?? I would like to hear your ideas. Wait!! I know. I have no fight record with a guy you have seen on TV .
Wanker.

Oh grow up.

I never said that i could handle myself better on the streetz than you, all ive said is that you disregard combat sports far to easily (and readily).

You also disregard basically anything non-wslvt from what i can see.

Its boring Kev.... plain old boring.

Im on this forum to have a chat, have a laugh, take the pi55 out of Graham, get some ideas and meet some people (met John Fung recently)......... what are you on here for??

[GlennR]

I propose this: How about you fight those you are arguing with at the same time with them also having weapons?

Somehow I get the feeling that you probably wouldn't fare so well as you claim to have in the past.

Great idea Laroux!!

Ive done a couple of years of doce pares and illustrisimo arnis so ill be happy to be Kevs armed foe!!

[wingchunIan]

No.... but then i dont know what a squaddie is

for educational purposes Glen, its an english slang term used to describe soldiers. It originated in the military itself as a term used by officers to describe regular soldiers but like all such terms that were originally derogoratory soldiers are now proud of the tag and it is simply a colloquial term used for the none officer class and none admin roles. A bit like I believe american marine infantrymen are reffered to as grunts although I'll admit my knowledge of american military slang is somewhat rusty.

[GlennR]

for educational purposes Glen, its an english slang term used to describe soldiers. It originated in the military itself as a term used by officers to describe regular soldiers but like all such terms that were originally derogoratory soldiers are now proud of the tag and it is simply a colloquial term used for the none officer class and none admin roles. A bit like I believe american marine infantrymen are reffered to as grunts although I'll admit my knowledge of american military slang is somewhat rusty.

Cool, thanks for that.

Austrlians are known as diggers FWIW

[Paddington]

oh grow up.

I never said that i could handle myself better on the streetz than you, all ive said is that you disregard combat sports far to easily (and readily).

You also disregard basically anything non-wslvt from what i can see.

Its boring kev.... Plain old boring.

Im on this forum to have a chat, have a laugh, take the pi55 out of graham, get some ideas and meet some people (met john fung recently)......... What are you on here for??

+1

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[Wayfaring]

spoken like a true one on one geek....visit Milwall v Chelsea football game one day and shout out your team ; )

Manchester United? Would they kill me or buy me a round?

this is my past ... http://youtu.be/U8K39KGD-YA

Looks like a riot. A little rougher than rival college American football games, but the basic chaos of a small riot. Ironically about 95% of the people you see in this clip are in very little danger. Those acting like they want to fight probably will get what they want and get a couple false cracks too. Keep your head down and keep walking until out of the area IMO. Pepper spray and/or mace would be a better option than squaring off in the VT stance IMO. Most fighting in these scenarios is unskilled.

I did security outside a pub on fulham rd opposite chelsea football ground for 2-3 years ....

Yeah, better than 50% of the MMA guys I train with work the doors. You hear crazy stories about once every couple months. They usually tell stories on each other because the first rule of the door is what you brag about can be subpoena'd. Maybe not in the UK though?

You ever learned ground and pound against a glass 3 pint beer jug in your face ?

No but mechanics don't change. If I have mount and they are defending with a 3 pint beer jug obviously you'd punch around it. Or take it away, have a swig, then hit them with it. Under mount being gnp with a mug? Don't get there. If you do you better wrap the beer jug arm and bridge and roll quick before you're out cold. A foette to the gut won't quite cut it there.

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1208269]Manchester United? Would they kill me or buy me a round?


Looks like a riot. A little rougher than rival college American football games, but the basic chaos of a small riot.

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Sometimes- the annual Oklahoma-Texas football shoot out in neutral territory can break out in some crazy crowd scenes...in town or on the field at the end of the game.

[Frost]

Manchester United? Would they kill me or buy me a round?

Looks like a riot. A little rougher than rival college American football games, but the basic chaos of a small riot. there.

Its not actually like the chaos of a small riot its much worse, It was a lot of times a carefully planned assault on rival firms using tactics such as bottlenecking rival fans, cornering them and so forth. And if you were caught up in it you would be at risk because the focal point shifted from area to area, different gangs would attack different pockets of away fans to ensure people couldn’t escape in any direction

These days its not as bad, but back in the 80’s/early 90’s guys would go round in groups (anywhere from 50-200 hardcore guys) tooled up looking for trouble with other rival football gangs: chealsea millwall, United, wimboldon, portsouth, Sunderland, Leicester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Celtic (now that rivalry ended up in a few deaths) and so on,

Most clubs had such a gang, they went armed with Stanley knifes, bats, screwdrivers, machetes etc looking to hurt and maim each other, the football wasn’t the reason for the fighting (some weren’t even fans of the teams), it was a venue to meet at to start trouble.

Rival gangs would arrange to meet on game days at certain venues, they would study the police and emergency response patterns to see where best to meet to ensure they could have a good battle before the law could respond, deaths between the gangs both domestically and in Europe (the Dutch and Germans were as bad, and these days its just as bad in eastern Europe) even to this day certain welsh teams aren’t allowed to travel or buy tickets to rival games, others have to be escorted by police riot vans to their segregated seats and escorted back to the trains.

People outside the Uk and Europe don’t really understand how bad this stuff got, its like nothing seen elsewhere outside of a war zone lol, and I don’t say that lightly if you ever watch how a football match is policed it is the same as looking after a riot zone

and as a united fan you would have been stabbed and left to bleed lol

[k gledhill]

Manchester United? Would they kill me or buy me a round?


Looks like a riot. A little rougher than rival college American football games, but the basic chaos of a small riot. Ironically about 95% of the people you see in this clip are in very little danger. Those acting like they want to fight probably will get what they want and get a couple false cracks too. Keep your head down and keep walking until out of the area IMO. Pepper spray and/or mace would be a better option than squaring off in the VT stance IMO. Most fighting in these scenarios is unskilled.



Yeah, better than 50% of the MMA guys I train with work the doors. You hear crazy stories about once every couple months. They usually tell stories on each other because the first rule of the door is what you brag about can be subpoena'd. Maybe not in the UK though?



No but mechanics don't change. If I have mount and they are defending with a 3 pint beer jug obviously you'd punch around it. Or take it away, have a swig, then hit them with it. Under mount being gnp with a mug? Don't get there. If you do you better wrap the beer jug arm and bridge and roll quick before you're out cold. A foette to the gut won't quite cut it there.

I like that you would take the jug and drink before responding, now thats classy

A guy I knew who was just 'big' doing security on an x mass ****up brawl, he got dropped and isolated as 3 security one being me had to fight a large crew..long story the big guy had a 3 pint glass jug smashed in his face ALONGwith other guys kicking him at the same time...I had to do stand up, ground fighting and multiple attackers all in one fight ...I hit a guy with a bar stool...kicked another guy, stopped him.. finger jabbed a guy in the eye stopping him and knocked out another with a facing vt punch to the jaw...they ran for it several got arrested..I had to go to court...crazy times

[Wayfaring]

I like that you would take the jug and drink before responding, now thats classy

A guy I knew who was just 'big' doing security on an x mass ****up brawl, he got dropped and isolated as 3 security one being me had to fight a large crew..long story the big guy had a 3 pint glass jug smashed in his face ALONGwith other guys kicking him at the same time...I had to do stand up, ground fighting and multiple attackers all in one fight ...I hit a guy with a bar stool...kicked another guy, stopped him.. finger jabbed a guy in the eye stopping him and knocked out another with a facing vt punch to the jaw...they ran for it several got arrested..I had to go to court...crazy times

A friend of mine - a girl who is a little bitty thing about 90 lbs soaking wet has a similar story about a drink glass like that. She literally looks like Barbie - and naturally gets hit on all day long in any kind of a pub scenario. Don't know if it was PMS or what but one night she had enough of one persistent drunk. He kept putting his hands on her, and her boyfriend who is large enough to prevent that activity with a sideways glance wasn't there (6'8", 275, specimen, NFL combine). Neither were her friends like me and crew. So she gets angry enough her aggro streak comes out and smashes a rocks glass entirely into the side of the drunk's face. She had a pretty good windup on the swing and the glass breaks upon impact with the face. Shards pretty much cut the guys face to shreds - she ends up doing 7 days in county and a huge fine. The guy is pretty much marred for life barring a plastic surgeon.

Real life situations are many times a lot different than fighting...

[Ali. R]

See, a lot of times you’ll find some guys with a whole lot of hard hitting talent, because they're just born with it, or their father’s threw them to the lions at a very young age, I’d said that because you can see a lot of guys that trained for years, but when it really comes down to hitting anyone with great form and power (truly recognizing what they’re doing) they’ll always come up short of a good follow through with real knock out power.

And that’s because they grew up without a lot of real physical hand contact at a very young age, so they’re not comfortable standing in front of someone with their hands up, but will spend more time kicking or falling to the ground while trying their best to survive with whatever, because they just didn’t have that competitive frame of mind dealing with an one on one situation in the stand up as a very young kid or in their teens.

It was ‘Roman Greco Wrestling’ and ‘Boxing’ at the age of 8 until now, which made me mentally strong to deal with people 5 to 10 years older than myself. H3ll at the age of 15/16, I was beating up fathers of guys I knew growing up with. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve took a lot of a$$ whoopings, but not outside of my family (father/5 brothers) and Saturday afternoon boxing events in my father’s backyard as a kid. And there was no crying either, my dad use to say; “I didn’t bring up no punks”. Just couldn’t show any weakness in front of him.

You can have all the best learning/training in the world, but that wouldn’t give you the experience to stand up very long against anyone and you can have all the experience in the world far as drills and sparring (must compete), but that wouldn’t give you the heart to continue trading punches with someone while having good balance and structure, especially when you feel like you can barely stand up yourself, you get heart from competing. But lots of people can’t tell the differences between heart and stupidity.

Bottom-line is, it’s not the art but the true fighting heart one has behind it. I’d remember growing up as a kid watching my mom cringe through the kitchen window while washing dishes looking into the backyard, as my father and his friends sat in lawn chairs with a pint of gin and smoking unfiltered ‘Pal Mals’ cigarettes cheering every bout like they were at the ‘Joe Louis Area’ or something (mid 70’s). What I’m saying is, if you’re trying to gain a fighting sprit while in your late thirties or even twenties, you’re going to take a lot of awkward a$$ whoopings in the process when dealing with an art such as ‘Kung Fu’ in general.

[Wayfaring]

People outside the Uk and Europe don’t really understand how bad this stuff got, its like nothing seen elsewhere outside of a war zone lol, and I don’t say that lightly if you ever watch how a football match is policed it is the same as looking after a riot zone

and as a united fan you would have been stabbed and left to bleed lol

gotcha Frost. Sounds like rival gang activity more than a sports riot now that you've explained more. We have gangs in the US. But we're all gun crazy over here. Gang activity usually consists of drive-by shootings with automatic weapons like the Uzi, or a 12 yr old popping someone with a 9mm as an initiation rite. That's in the worst areas. Random fire and random deaths. They don't use sporting events as an excuse to fight. If we had more gun control that would probably be more like what you're describing. And depending on the area I'm sure they've got more or less weapons.

To me that stuff of the video and what you're describing isn't so much like fighting as it is gathering your crew and escaping. That would be what I'd be doing. Running like hell like most fools in the video. I guess if you get cornered you would have to make something happen. But fighting? No way. Square up like Bruce Lee and you'd have a dozen rusty screwdriver holes in you. Not for me man. They can stab the soles of my shoes as they kick up dust while I'm sprinting in the other direction.