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  1. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    hi

    buy a dvd/learn from youtube
    More so look up the two styles on YouTube and see what you like.

  2. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by mjwny View Post
    Is this dependent on the principals of the Sifu? I mentioned this because the first class I attended had said in their adult fundamentals classes they teach you basic forms and movements, really teach your body to be flexible and understand the principals; once you pass your first test they then teach you application.
    This is the more traditional way to teach, I believe.

    If you find a good teacher you have confidence in, I'd say just give yourself to the method the way he teaches it: forwards, backwards or whatever. Just follow the program and practice a lot on your own between classes. After a time you'll have so much more perspective on everything that if you need to look for something different you'll be better equipped to ask questions and make decisions. my 2€

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    hi

    buy a dvd/learn from youtube
    Where can I purchase a Wombat Combat dvd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rett View Post
    This is the more traditional way to teach, I believe.

    If you find a good teacher you have confidence in, I'd say just give yourself to the method the way he teaches it: forwards, backwards or whatever. Just follow the program and practice a lot on your own between classes. After a time you'll have so much more perspective on everything that if you need to look for something different you'll be better equipped to ask questions and make decisions. my 2€
    Thanks Rett. Absolutely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rett View Post
    This is the more "traditional way to teach", I believe.
    If we look at the "inner hook (Ouchi Gari)", this clip shows the footwork.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0_ND2xIho

    This clip shows the set up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4IxLY9n_-o

    This clip shows how to use it against noncompliant opponent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdMbxsD0z8

    What more information do you need? You first train your legs. After you get used to your legwork, you then train your hands. The hands move can be more complicated because in combat situation, your opponent won't allow you to grab him as shown in those clips.

    After you have learned the "inner hook", you will find out that the "leg lift", "leg twist", and "front cut" can all be learned exactly the same way, with the same footwork, and the same set up. Now you will have 4 tools in your toolbox. This is why a teacher should help you to develop those tools that you need by starting from

    - foootwork,
    - set up,
    - execution,

    and not just fill you up with form after form.

    This is the "traditional way to teach" a throwing art. Why the traditional striking art doesn't use this approach? I still don't understand even today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    Where can I purchase a Wombat Combat dvd?
    WC dvd can only be purchased with blood or a vial of full grown men's tears. When you are ready, with payment plan, the dvd will present itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwny View Post
    This would have been my first go to point, but unfortunately neither have Chics. So now I'm back to square one.

    As per comfort level, I wouldn't know. In a single day of trials they both seemed pretty easy, Shaolin was a bit more of a challenge which i liked but this was also the class that seemed to show less application.

    But again, looking to hear others stories, experiences etc... Trying to keep an open mind. If I had the money, and time I would do both!

    I think you came to the wrong place for advise.

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    I think you came to the wrong place for advise.

    Good Luck
    I wonder what kind of advise that mjwny may get if he goes to a forum that talks about:

    - health,
    - self-cultivation, and
    - inner peace.

    People in this forum may not have all reached to the "spiritual level" yet, but at least we all care about "combat".
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-19-2012 at 12:25 PM.
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    So when you say that in the shaolin class you broke a good sweat and got a good work out, but there was no real application work, do you mean that the entire class was composed of form work, or was there some good solid conditioning and drills taking place? Have you asked the current students if there are application days where that is the focus? a lot of times you may not get the full spectrum in one day.

    I am skeptical of a martial arts class where you do not break a sweat in a 3 hour class. Perhaps that was a special occasion day? I also am skeptical of a class that does not begin a new student of martial arts by building a foundation through introductory beginner basics. These are required building blocks that one needs to be able to progress at a consistant solid rate of understanding.

    all in all, as a beginner, i don't believe in many cases you will get a full picture in just one class. if you have some experience and know what you are looking for this is definately possible, but if you have absolutely zero experience, you may want to visit two or three more times to get a more rounded idea of the actual exposure you would get there.
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    "If we look at the "inner hook (Ouchi Gari)", this clip shows the footwork.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0_ND2xIho "
    Looks like Salsa...lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpj5AUgy37g
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    If we look at the "inner hook (Ouchi Gari)", this clip shows the footwork.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0_ND2xIho

    This clip shows the set up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4IxLY9n_-o

    This clip shows how to use it against noncompliant opponent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdMbxsD0z8

    What more information do you need? You first train your legs. After you get used to your legwork, you then train your hands. The hands move can be more complicated because in combat situation, your opponent won't allow you to grab him as shown in those clips.

    After you have learned the "inner hook", you will find out that the "leg lift", "leg twist", and "front cut" can all be learned exactly the same way, with the same footwork, and the same set up. Now you will have 4 tools in your toolbox. This is why a teacher should help you to develop those tools that you need by starting from

    - foootwork,
    - set up,
    - execution,

    and not just fill you up with form after form.

    This is the "traditional way to teach" a throwing art. Why the traditional striking art doesn't use this approach? I still don't understand even today.

    Check out this KO with Harai Goshi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNHFuNL0mc
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    Quote Originally Posted by pateticorecords View Post
    "If we look at the "inner hook (Ouchi Gari)", this clip shows the footwork.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0_ND2xIho "
    Looks like Salsa...lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpj5AUgy37g
    This "1, 2, circle" footwork in TCMA is called "butterfly footwork". It combines 2 "stealing steps" if you let your circle to go all the way behind your standing foot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0_ND2xIho
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This "1, 2, circle" footwork in TCMA is called "butterfly footwork". It combines 2 "stealing steps" if you let your circle to go all the way behind your standing foot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir0_ND2xIho
    Oh, I know... the footwork is very effective. I just thought of salsa dancing when I saw the video
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    Quote Originally Posted by pateticorecords View Post
    Check out this KO with Harai Goshi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNHFuNL0mc
    That was a beautiful "leg block" throw. He used his "horse back kick" to knock off both of his opponent's legs (instead of just trap the leg). That require some "back kick strength" and "single leg balance".
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-19-2012 at 12:39 PM.
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    I guess the question I'd ask you would be what do you want to get out of your martial arts training. Your personal goals should guide your decisions about your instructor.

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