Fair enough.
Their are similarities in technique. But not so much in performance.
The closest is CaiLiFo (CHoyLayFut)
Even though its techniques are the same as other southern styles the way it performs its forms is close to northern style. So it is easy to see the same techniques.
Look up Black Tiger, HeiHuMen or I believe Hak Fu Men in cantonese. This is also very similar in technique.
Even WIngChun contains the same moves, but it is harder to see because they are all used in the small frame and the forms contain less foot work.
Because Wushu looks nicer and the job for a lot of 'monks' is performance. So they practice wushu for the performance. They rarely perform traditional sets.
There is more buisness in Sanda and Wushu and performance than in traditional so that many people favour those options. Actually there are 4 choices in Dengfeng, Sanda (kickboxing) Wushu (competition), BiaoYan (performance) and Chuantong (traditional).
Performance and Wushu are different as one is to look good, the other is to stick to rules of competition performance. Its more sport less drama.
I practice ChuanTong and Sanda. (if it was all the same they wouldn't have these different classes).
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Yes. i don't know if it called itself Shaolin or was affiliated with song shan, but I believe there was a central zen temple connected to the transmission of the southern styles. The fact the southern styles are generally similar in performance to each other and yet wholly different to the northern styles (in performance) suggests they are all related closely.
There are religious elements to southern styles and more Buddhist than Taoist (though both exist and some with no affiliation).
There is of course connection. The technique is the same if you look at it with experienced eyes. But whether that comes from Song shan or not i don't know. Most northern styles are very similar indeed.
Just an addition;
What is a Shaolin Temple Kung Fu form and what is not?
There is this myth that Shaolin was this ISOLATED temple where no one was allowed to leave and secret kung fu was practiced within the walls only.
This probably never happened. Shaolin Kung fu was in constant flux crossing with the Kung fu of the local villages and absorbing the Kung fu from monks of all china who came there.
There is no way we can say whether a form was created inside the temple walls or not. Why? Because quite literally the walls were not always there. Think of Song Shan as a city and Shaolin as a district.
Where then do we draw the line? Kung Fu from all china pays homage to shaolin.
The line is SONG SHAN. Why? Because when Kung fu goes to another part of china it is influenced by the local styles. But in SOng Shan all the local styles are Shaolin. So things stay shaolin like. That is why all the Kung fu in SOng Shan has that Shaolin flavour.
SO when we see Shaolin Kung Fu from another part of China, it is not quite Shaolin. Even when it has a strong lineage it will be influenced by its local styles. So it looks less like Shaolin.
Kung Fu that comes from Song Shan keeps the influence of other SOng Shan styles and the SHaolin temple itself and so Song Shan Kung fu is the ancestral Shaolin.
You cannot seperate SOng Shan and Shaolin. Song Mountain is a breathing creature and the Shaolin temple is its heart.
(This reminds me of a wonderful local legend that ShaoShi Shan is hollow and inside lives a gigantic snake that is fed by the people of the mountian)
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Southern styles dont really imitate animals either. The animal style thing was played up in hong kong cinema back in the day and alot of people used that to market themselves and their schools.
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Because they know that many people have seen all the old HongKong movies from the which contain all the animal stuff. Those are the same movies they got to watch. So they rebranded the southern mythology like it was from SongShan which it isn't.
Its simple marketing. That is what people expect of Shaolin because of the movies. NOtice the 1982 movie actually doesn't do the animla stuff. It does the drunken but thats another story.
Actually modern Wushu is a very specific sport. It also doesn't contain the animals so much. It has famous styles (which include Eagle and Mantis). It is the recent Shaolin Performance stuff that does all the animals.
Thanks again for clearing that up. You said there are only 4 classes taught, so what is the difference between modern Wushu and the "recent Shaolin performance stuff that does all the animals"? Does the latter have a specific name?
Na, we just say performance.
It is similar but in Performance it is still necessary to use explosive power and use Intent. Sport wushu is a different kind of power and has to snap into perfect stances with straight lines. Performance it is good to add drama, expression and make the stances look coiled as they should be.
Either way both are mainly jumps. Where as sport wushu has very specific jumping kicks performance you can do more gymnastics and tricks.
Not to knock them they are extremely good training. They give you speed, power balance and agility in a way like nothing else.
Performance;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VQkDx03Kpg
Sport;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1l19hFwD28
You will notice how different both of these are to the traditional forms I posted earlier.
Traditional;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NrLSCa16no
Last edited by RenDaHai; 12-28-2012 at 04:58 PM.
There's tanglang in that film. The head monk was played by Yu Hai and tanglang is his specialty. A few of the actors in that film came from Shandong like Yu; Shandong is the cradle of mantis. This became much more overt in the later films of the trilogy. See my cover story The Big Monk of Shaolin Temple: Mantis Grandmaster Yu Hai from our 2007 Shaolin Special.
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