Last edited by JamesC; 01-01-2013 at 11:48 PM.
It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand. - Apache Proverb
This is how a fighter approaches things, to my way of thinking anyhow. You see the useful application, don't get confused by the veneer and apply it within your own style.
I think rooting is a very valuable, and often overlooked asset of TCMA. I would say sport sanshou has shown how well wrestling and TCMA compliment each other, seamlessly really.
When I roll, a lot of times I can tap someone with a simple Chinna wrist lock. I don't seem to see many BJJ guys go for the wrist, I just took it from KF/Karate self defense and apply it on the ground. I think a lot of what you learn in Chinna applies directly to ground fighting if you learn the mechanics of not allowing space, weight distribution, passing guards, ect..in fact it essentially is BJJ when you add those fundamentals.
As to Chinna when your standing up, I think a lot of folks got the wrong idea. You always see overly complicated self defense situations, where your dependent on your compliant partner leaving his arm extended and not moving while you go through 2 or 3 different steps. It's just not practical.
I don't think most Chinna is meant for stand up fighting. Chinna works beautifully, we see it used all the time by bouncers, police, military, ect. I think that's what it's really for. Diffusing a situation, apprehending and controlling someone. Once the guard is up and fists are flying, the time for "self defense" Chinna has passed.
I don't disagree with any of this. I'm really just talking about learning the fundamentals of escaping/defending in ground fighting. I think a small amount of time focused on this, could really help someone who has no experience be much more well rounded. If they want to pursue it further they should go learn from a grappling coach.
Say your teaching a little Chi Gong before your self/defense/forms/sparring, whatever..you feel it's good and beneficial to your students. Most of them may be happy, but one wants more...you can tell him, "I studied these few exercises, but Chi Gong isn't my specialty, if you want to study it in more depth go train with an internal teacher...I teach this along with the external KF because I think it helps; but it's not my area of expertise."
I would actually have more respect for a Shifu if he told me this.
Let him pick a fight with the wrong guy and get killed then because he thinks wrestling is for street.
yeah but if you have no ground training and somebody does put you on your back, you are fucked!
There is no more helpless feeling than being shut down by a high level grappler. It it doesn't have to be on the ground. I'm not a ground fighter, I'm a grappler. I will push them into a wall, tie them up and drive my knees thru their torso with savage brutality until they drop or pull their hands down, then they are my bitch.
It's not about stand vs ground. It's about using grappling and striking from any and all positions. Not knowing how to defend a position is fatal. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a standup cat talk shit then get power slammed on the concrete and not even have the wherewithal to pull their head in. Sometimes knowing something is about being able to defend against it just as much as it is about using it offensively.