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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    Maybe so Syn but sometimes YKW as such ridiculously oversimplified questions that it seems he is either trolling, an idiot, or is playing with a short deck.
    Actually, I think YKW's question speak to a reality no one wants to face up to.
    Everyone thinks their special techniques are all that but it often comes down to "basics" in the long run. No special donkey fist kungfu, no special potato hand fist, no special wisdom kongdong foot, etc.
    I also realize that "basics" means a whole lotta' stuff to many people so being the gadfly is a good thing. You dont have to pay anyone a red cent to examine one's own skill.

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    everyone thinks their tougher than they are.............. this is based on ego, what you think you know and how well it works, not fighting tougher opponents, lack of real fighting, less than 50 street fights, never being beat up badly enough........

    If your in these categories, an most of you are so shut up and listen and learn. I mean this in a respectful way of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    Maybe so Syn but sometimes YKW as such ridiculously oversimplified questions that it seems he is either trolling, an idiot, or is playing with a short deck.
    I completely disagree.

    And while I don't always agree 100% with everything YKW says, I respect his experiece and knowledge, and that he has different (and some same) perspectives. He's asking some of the more relevant questions. It often takes years to come back full-circle and really examine the basics. The vast majority of the time, the basics are what are going to save you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The 45 degree downward haymaker punch can be seen in these 2 clips:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvdERnYRtTw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLiZDsssN0
    This is like Praying Mantis general purpose fan che circular clearing/attacking, but with turning footwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    you need to move ahead and not dwell on the piece : i.e. , punch, kick , step ect.
    I couldn't disagree more. I think I've made myself clear though, so I'll leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    If you move back, your opponent's forward momentum can run you down. If you don't want to back up, you have to fight on your ground. To spin your body with your punch is one of the best solutions for that situation. If your opponent charges in fast enough, your haymaker punch can even hit on the back of your opponent's head. Since you don't know whether your opponent attacks you with a knife or not, to be able to spin your body outside of your opponent's striking path is important.

    Possibly, yes. But, if you're beating the foot and circling out as you move back your opponent has nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The 45 degree downward haymaker punch can be seen in these 2 clips:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvdERnYRtTw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLiZDsssN0
    Those are not haymaker punches. Those are squared of guys lazily circling their arm at their partners face.

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    Some of you here really overthink this stuff

    In fencing, there is an aphorism that says (and forgive my paraphrasing as I don't know the original source) 'A straight attack beats a circular one; a circular attack beats a straight one'. If that seems like some sort of zen koan to you, you might spend a little more time sparring.
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    Also,

    ..... straight attack beats a straight attack, a circular attack beats a circular attack, and no-attack beats all attacks!

    So says The Ancient One!


    He was very wise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    'A straight attack beats a circular one; a circular attack beats a straight one'.
    That's old TCMA saying as well, "直破曲,曲破直 (Zhi Po Qu Qu Po Zhi)".

    Old TCMA saying also said,

    - "single defeat double, double defeat single".
    - "strength defeat technique, technique 巧(Qiao) defeat strength."
    - ...

    Sometime it can be confusion.
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    Hi, are you basically referring to a kahp choi? The videos seemed to show more of a so choi, but maybe I was missing the downward angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhusudan View Post
    Hi, are you basically referring to a kahp choi? The videos seemed to show more of a so choi, but maybe I was missing the downward angle.
    The

    - SC term is "环肘neck surrounding".
    - praying mantis term is "圈捶Quan Chui".
    - CLF term is "???".
    - Karate term is "ridge hand".
    - boxing term "hook punch" (similiar).
    - modern term is "haymaker punch".

    It's easy to see the 45 degree downward angle in this cip (at 0.11, 0.13, ...)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=t_uYiYGONfM

    Here ia another sparring clip.

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTI4NTkxMjg0.html
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    a hook and a haymaker are different.

    a hook is a tight butter churn shot and a haymaker is generally a big full arm swing.

    from a vs perspective, I don't think it exists.

    straight punch is often the bread and butter of a fight and the crosses, hooks etc are finish shots at the end of a combo.

    you'd be hard pressed to find an experienced fighter who doesn't start out with jabs as an assessment mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    you'd be hard pressed to find an experienced fighter who doesn't start out with jabs as an assessment mode.
    That's why I had assumed that the initial attack from someone in the dark alley would always be the straight line attack. Any "initial" haymaker will be just too easy to be countered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    That's why I had assumed that the initial attack from someone in the dark alley would always be the straight line attack. Any "initial" haymaker will be just too easy to be countered.
    I agree. Those are usually movie fights or drunken brawls where that happens. lol

    Good ol' drunken brawls. I haven't been in one of those since the 80s!
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    If you ever get the chance to watch a prison brawl the haymaker is one of the most common strikes thrown. Grab with one hand and haymaker with the other, sort of like a hockey fight. Then, of course the stomp or kick once the opponent is down.

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