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    Some guys have talent in form

    This guy's forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI

    If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?
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    I truly don't know how these guy's punches can make such loud noise.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENgsF1LezQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This guy's forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI

    If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?
    Very crisp, clean moves. A wonderful base to start training fighting skill. Good forms do not equal good fighting skill, but give a good teacher a guy who can move that precisely and he could turn him into one tough fighter.

    However, I can pass on the theatrical sounds.
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    I like the form!
    Now I would like to see some level of application. By itself, #1 trophy.

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    They got great form...I'm not a fan of adding sound effects though.

    I've said it many times, I believe forms are one of the most economical training methods for working a variety of attributes that are important to a good fighter. I feel you get the biggest bang for your buck by training forms, so long as you're doing them fast and hard.

    You just must resist the temptation to train only form and deny the partner application and sparring that makes us hurt and keeps us grounded in this awful reality.

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    Its nice!

    Kung fu is basics. We all know that you can't see fighting ability in form, but you can see conditioning and basic training. When I see form I want the player to showcase his training. I want to see flexibility, balance and strength in stances. I want to see the waist change with great speed and maximum movement so that every change, even small, is clear. I want to see power which shakes the body, and I want to see the eyes looking at the imaginary opponent with murderous intent.

    The beauty is with form we can take movements to their most extreme position which we can't always do in sparring. A form should be a testing workout for strength, flexibility and stamina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenDaHai View Post
    Its nice!

    Kung fu is basics. We all know that you can't see fighting ability in form, but you can see conditioning and basic training. When I see form I want the player to showcase his training. I want to see flexibility, balance and strength in stances. I want to see the waist change with great speed and maximum movement so that every change, even small, is clear. I want to see power which shakes the body, and I want to see the eyes looking at the imaginary opponent with murderous intent.

    The beauty is with form we can take movements to their most extreme position which we can't always do in sparring. A form should be a testing workout for strength, flexibility and stamina.

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    Well said.

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    Interestingly, many wushu practitioners tend to retire early due to torn ligamnents, excessive training regimen affecting lower body (knee, ankle, etc) so in that opposite scenario, there is a detriment.

    I heard, saw and read that there is a big difference between 'professional' wushu coaches and their students and those who are good teachers, who happen to teach for aliving. The professional coaches' student are of one body type their goal is to win and secure a better level of gain so that is a great thing while regular coaches, unafiliated with a public or state institution, tend to be off all body types and tend to last longer though the students are fewer. They do, in later stages, get the help of their university but they tend to last longer than the types associated with state supported wushu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mawali View Post
    Interestingly, many wushu practitioners tend to retire early due to torn ligamnents, excessive training regimen affecting lower body (knee, ankle, etc) so in that opposite scenario, there is a detriment.
    Its true. But that is not from the old forms.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTYDgvLZcSU

    Its that kind of stuff. Its fine if you get it right, but screw up a few landings and you get lasting problems.

    I used to train the jumps but have avoided it the last few years because of knee problems. Never get a problem with the old sets though.

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    A lot of people confuse traditional Long Fist forms with the modern, standardized wushu forms. They are very different things.

    Was the form in the OP filmed in Taiwan or China? I ask because it really looks like a lot of the Long Fist you'd see in Taiwan, or at least in Taipei. The guy in the vid's form is very good.

    When I lived in Taipei, I had a friend who had been a student of Chiang Chang-Ken (excuse the old-style spelling) in Long Fist. His surname was Guo. To this day, Guo had the most impressive Long Fist form I had ever seen. He was very fast, explosive, and could be alternately rooted or extremely light...but his execution was phenomenal, plus he could really scrap as well. But he was the most unassuming guy and never seemed very impressed with himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Was the form in the OP filmed in Taiwan or China?
    Both guys were in Taiwan. The longfist in Taiwan and longfist in China do have different flavor. At 0.32 - 0.34, there is a "三不落地(San Bu Luo Di) - 3 non-landing" in the 1st clip

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI

    Bruce Lee did that "三不落地(San Bu Luo Di) - 3 non-landing" at 0.27 - 0.31.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXP6trDByRQ

    If you can still do this 3 non-landing in your old age, your physical shape should still be OK. That's the beauty of the longfist system. It will keep you young.
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    The Kung Fu Loung guys have fantastic longfist form, really love watching their stuff. Their DVDs all have massive application breakdowns as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This guy's forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI

    If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?
    i find this very pleasant to watch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBJyL-RHse4

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    In my time in TKD and Kyokushin I won as many medals and trophies for forms as I did for fighting.
    I have found that, while not all good forms people are good fighters, that all good fighters CAN be good forms people.
    Of course I don't do or ever did flashy forms, mine were traditional.
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