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    Vin Tsun clips 3 "the return"


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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Great, it's a trilogy longer than lord of the rings!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
    Great, it's a trilogy longer than lord of the rings!!!!!
    See anything you can discuss beyond inane responses ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    See anything you can discuss beyond inane responses ?
    Okay. I'm not starting a flame war. You are asking so I will just give an opinion and I hope it can be discussed without having go back on about right and wrong wing chun.

    I just can't see more that semi demo drill chi sao. Maybe it's the style's trademark. But for me and it is just my view - I feel it lacks connection to the goal of wing chun. Which is dealing with a fight. It seems to much wing chun vs wing chun. Pure drilling. That's okay for beginners, but we never see anything beyond that.

    In terms of angles etc it's all okay. But I don't see body structure body in the way I view it. The style doesn't use root in a way that I think it would need to in order to hold stance under tough pressure. I know people will say they will move and hit etc etc. But I am just being honest from the point of view of someone that trains fiighters for MMA, boxing K1. In lacks the natural timing of movement for me. It's good level of drilling of what they do. Chi Sao is just training as people will say. But fighting is not just training. So the training has to offer a skill which works in fighting. If a guy was not that good and throws a punch then yes a set drill can work. But I have seen so much nice drilling fall down as soon as the drill is not in play. A stronger fighter will smash though a weak drill as such.

    So instead of attacking my crazy view or reminding me that I just use strength or that I don't know wing chun - lets try something new.

    Questions -

    What do you think this type of drilling demo style chi sao brings to a fight?

    Do you think it will stop a guy using power and strength?

    Chi Sao is just a drill? if so why does is it somethings showed with a better guy beating a not so good guy? Not saying that it the wrong thing. But it seems to go against the idea of a drilling skill if that's the case.

    Would this sort of training stop a MMA fighter (levels basic guy, good guy, advance guy)?

    Please explain the next stage in this style to take this to sparing - as I have seen sparring with head gear etc but that all became a long range in and out trade. Is the goal that? or is the goal to get in and stay in and use infighting skills? As I don't see that in the other clips of this style.

    Again we all know we have different views, which is all fine.

    I am just asking about stuff that is on my mind when I watch this different view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Orr View Post
    Okay. I'm not starting a flame war. You are asking so I will just give an opinion and I hope it can be discussed without having go back on about right and wrong wing chun.

    I just can't see more that semi demo drill chi sao. Maybe it's the style's trademark. But for me and it is just my view - I feel it lacks connection to the goal of wing chun. Which is dealing with a fight. It seems to much wing chun vs wing chun. Pure drilling. That's okay for beginners, but we never see anything beyond that.

    In terms of angles etc it's all okay. But I don't see body structure body in the way I view it. The style doesn't use root in a way that I think it would need to in order to hold stance under tough pressure. I know people will say they will move and hit etc etc. But I am just being honest from the point of view of someone that trains fiighters for MMA, boxing K1. In lacks the natural timing of movement for me. It's good level of drilling of what they do. Chi Sao is just training as people will say. But fighting is not just training. So the training has to offer a skill which works in fighting. If a guy was not that good and throws a punch then yes a set drill can work. But I have seen so much nice drilling fall down as soon as the drill is not in play. A stronger fighter will smash though a weak drill as such.

    So instead of attacking my crazy view or reminding me that I just use strength or that I don't know wing chun - lets try something new.

    Questions -

    What do you think this type of drilling demo style chi sao brings to a fight?

    Do you think it will stop a guy using power and strength?

    Chi Sao is just a drill? if so why does is it somethings showed with a better guy beating a not so good guy? Not saying that it the wrong thing. But it seems to go against the idea of a drilling skill if that's the case.

    Would this sort of training stop a MMA fighter (levels basic guy, good guy, advance guy)?

    Please explain the next stage in this style to take this to sparing - as I have seen sparring with head gear etc but that all became a long range in and out trade. Is the goal that? or is the goal to get in and stay in and use infighting skills? As I don't see that in the other clips of this style.

    Again we all know we have different views, which is all fine.

    I am just asking about stuff that is on my mind when I watch this different view.
    They can only practice what they know.

    With out a proper structure that is what it looks like, two guys racing for position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Once again, no actual fighting and not really much relationship to actual fighting.

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    http://youtu.be/fkA7GqmpfkE


    I met Hawkins Sifu years ago. Alans, teachers, teacher.
    Last edited by k gledhill; 02-10-2013 at 08:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    http://youtu.be/fkA7GqmpfkE


    I met Hawkins Sifu years ago. Alans, teachers, teacher.
    And the point is what?

    The point must be that Hawkins has one of the few lineages that is actually providing evidence that they are using his version of wing chun in full contact situations.

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    Here's a much better demonstration of what true structure and power delivery is about (demonstrated in a live, full contact manner):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImxUpS1UseA

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    See anything you can discuss beyond inane responses ?
    Nothing more to say that Alan hasn't already. I don't always agree with his approach to wing chun, but I think he's gotten to the meat of it and is pretty spot-on with what he's said.

    Besides that, I don't really see the point. To be blunt, you'll just end up getting your panties in a wad and delete this thread within a few days just like you've to most others when they don't go the way you like.
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    Great, it's a trilogy longer than lord of the rings!!!!!
    Probably more like Star Wars. "Return of the Jedi" being the third installment of many more.

    Waiting for Kev's version of "The Phantom Menace". Unless that's anyone who thinks the chi-sao warriors in his clips don't have the skill of Yoda.

    Strange way to attack Alan, posting clips of his teacher's teacher and himself.
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