What works and what doesn't work

[LaRoux]

@desrtwingchun - My school ain't no dry cleaners, it's right where I told him. It's LaRoux who is trying to take me to the cleaners with his refusal to tell me his name haha

@LaRoux at least a couple of people walk into my school unnanounced per month. Most of them have signed contracts with me afterwards haha.

Seems as if someone is trying to skirt the subject, which is techniques that work vs. those that don't by trying to make things personal and issuing tough-guy internet keyboard warrior challenges.

[CRCAVA]

seems "someone" is wearing a skirt after being too chicken to back up their words and to stand by what they say by using their real name...

[Ajna007]

As a WC "Newbie" I dont understand all this talk about Boang Sau? Firstly How can it be "Negative" I have never heard it referred to as such. Its a good solid Yang Block...I have never insulted anyone's school or Sifu/Sensei in my Life!!!! I think it shows Extremely Bad Form!!! Not only does it cause "Issues" but it demonstrates that people seem to have forgotten that Peace and Humility are Integral to the Martial Way...!!! tbh Talking Shizzle, Verbal/sparring on the net is pointless.. The "Usefulness" of ANY Technique is in its application...We can all pad up at the end of the day and, "Touch Gloves..." with a mutual respect.I am new to this forum so dont really want to wade into deep waters.... but i can be a bit of a gladfly! lol looking forward to adding my 2 cents worth in from time to time...Amitabha! CRCA UK

[LaRoux]

Absolutely, as long as it does not degrade into chest beating and name calling.

We have far too much of that here already

I find that a sprited discussion is a good thing. Even when I do not agree I sometimes learn something or get a new perspective. Then again those who know me will attest to my stubborn streak. I often will make a technique work just by wearing the opponent down. They are better but I stay in there longer...............kind of like my last marriage

Sorry Sihing73.

I tried to start off keeping it to the subject at hand, but as you can see, the internet wannabe warriors have shown up with the name calling and chest beating and I think I got drawn into that also.

Maybe you can get rid of those parts and leave the relevant subject matter up?

[Ajna007]

Paper Tigers Always Blow Away in the Breeze...

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...M8&h=JAQFW7vGg

[Bernard]

I think its safe to say that it's like a religion when it comes to martial art styles.

A person's religion is their belief structure and when one threatens someone's belief structure by saying something about their religion is false, all "hell" breaks loose.

Likewise, when someone threatens someone's belief structure regarding their chosen martial art by saying their techniques are unrealistic....

[Robinhood]

OK, thanks.

This clip is what I consider to be a good example of many of the techniques that I consider to be unrealistic.

Clip showing mostly unrealistic techniques.


Since I think the majority of them won't work, I will focus instead on the few I believe could be pulled off.

1:14 the blocked punch
1:38 the head butt (although, you'd need to get there in a much more realistic manner than what was shown in that clip)
2:05 the guillotine choke (although the set up to that was unrealistic)
3:45 the parry of the jab
9:47 stepping off line of the roundhouse kick followed by the inside thigh kick

Other than those, most of the techniques shown there are not going to be functional in full contact application.

These videos always crack me up, anything will work when you know what's coming ahead of time, I wish one of the assistants would through something else when the guy is waiting for the punch or kick . I saw someone do that once and it was funny.

Most of these things will not work , because the guy is not going to tell you what he is going to throw, by the time you recognize the attack it is to late.

[Kellen Bassette]

Paper Tigers Always Blow Away in the Breeze...

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...M8&h=JAQFW7vGg

That's some good stuff there. :P

[YouKnowWho]

I like to have "positive" attitude. I like the explaination at 5.05.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jni2eIdGwzk

"Tan Shou along is not strong enough to block a hook punch. Pai Shou along is also not strong enough to block a hook punch. But combining both Tan Shou and Pai Shou, it will be strong enough to stop a hook punch."

The nice thing about the Pai Shou at your opponent's upper arm is you don't need to use much force, you can cancel out your opponent's punching power. To me, this is called to bring the fight into your opponent's territory (near his face instead of near your face). It's also called to prevent your opponent from generating more power and reduce his power from his source. It's very TCMA way of thinking.

Of course people may say that since you are using both arms to block your opponent's right arm, how about his left arm that can strike at your head. That's the beauty of the TCMA. Since you know ahead of the time this may happen (because you know there will be a "leak" on your right side), you can take advantage on it. All you need is to use your right arm to

1. block his left punching arm, wrap his left punching arm, turn your left arm into a left arm head lock on your opponent, or
2. block his left punching arm, turn your right blocking arm into a right arm head lock on your opponent.
3. wrap around your opponent's neck into a reverse head lock (guillotine).

In all cases, since both of your arms are inside of your opponent's arms, you will have advantage.

This short clip can explain what may happen when your opponent's left arm punches at your head and you apply the 1st solution. You can see the Tan Shou and Pai Shou (it's called "diagonal striking" in SC) used to block the right hook punch (or haymaker).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OZ2DByegHV0

[Hendrik]

These are totally non wing Chun. Not accord with the principle of WCK .

I like to have "positive" attitude. I like the explaination at 5.05.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jni2eIdGwzk

"Tan Shou along is not strong enough to block a hook punch. Pai Shou along is also not strong enough to block a hook punch. But combining both Tan Shou and Pai Shou, it will be strong enough to stop a hook punch."

The nice thing about the Pai Shou at your opponent's upper arm is you don't need to use much force, you can cancel out your opponent's punching power. To me, this is called to bring the fight into your opponent's territory (near his face instead of near your face). It's also called to prevent your opponent from generating more power and reduce his power from his source. It's very TCMA way of thinking.

Of course people may say that since you are using both arms to block your opponent's right arm, how about his left arm that can strike at your head. That's the beauty of the TCMA. Since you know ahead of the time this may happen (because you know there will be a "leak" on your right side), you can take advantage on it. All you need is to use your right arm to

1. block his left punching arm, wrap his left punching arm, turn your left arm into a left arm head lock on your opponent, or
2. block his left punching arm, turn your right blocking arm into a right arm head lock on your opponent.
3. wrap around your opponent's neck into a reverse head lock (guillotine).

In all cases, since both of your arms are inside of your opponent's arms, you will have advantage.

This short clip can explain what may happen when your opponent's left arm punches at your head and you apply the 1st solution. You can see the Tan Shou and Pai Shou (it's called "diagonal striking" in SC) used to block the right hook punch (or haymaker).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ2DByegHV0

[YouKnowWho]

These are totally non wing Chun. Not accord with the principle of WCK .

I'm talking about "Tan Shou and Pai Shou combination" not what may happen after that. Will you consider to change your right Pai Shou into an elbow strike at your opponent's face be more WC like?

[Hendrik]

I'm talking about "Tan Shou and Pai Shou combination" not what may happen after that. Will you consider to change your right Pai Shou into an elbow strike at your opponent's face be more WC like?

1. That is wrong use of technics.
2. It is not accord with WCK principle.
3. It is crazy to use two hands to block one hand in the center line , being in a defensive position, totally open in one side and subject to other free attack. That cannot be wing Chun.

[YouKnowWho]

That cannot be wing Chun.

You have too much "style boundary" in your head. You "leak" can be your "bait" if you know how to use it.

[Hendrik]

You have too much "style boundary" in your head. You "leak" can be your "bait".

You are trying to use a hammer as saw. You are a sc guy, keep that way, so not mislead others.

[YouKnowWho]

You are trying to use a hammer as saw.

WC does not own Tan Shou and Pai Shou. Most of the TCMA systems all have it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm6RpwYELm0