Buddha hand snake crane wing chun

[stonecrusher69]

another lineage of Wing Chun that is still closed door.

door..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6WAImqlwQ

[Lee Chiang Po]

If by westerners you mean non Chinese, then my own lineage is still closed door. Anyone that was ever taught had to make an oath never to teach it outside their own race.

[stonecrusher69]

Um.... how can the door still be closed if a Westerner is showing a form set on YouTube?

Up until NOW!!

[stonecrusher69]

The form looks like a linking form that combines all the sets into one.. I noticed some of the circular footwork is similiar to my lineage.

[LaRoux]

Closed door = not sharing and testing with other styles = not evolving = not functional

[PalmStriker]

The form looks like a linking form that combines all the sets into one.. I noticed some of the circular footwork is similiar to my lineage.

Quite possible, interesting variation for sure, thanks StoneCrusher.

[Robinhood]

Looks like he just copied it out of some books.

Who cares what the form looks like, it is what you can't see that is important.

This guy shows it all, there is nothing else going on.

[Phil Redmond]

If by westerners you mean non Chinese, then my own lineage is still closed door. Anyone that was ever taught had to make an oath never to teach it outside their own race.

That reeks of racism.

[Phil Redmond]

Closed door = not sharing and testing with other styles = not evolving = not functional

Agreed, who do they know their style works against other styles ?

[Lee Chiang Po]

I agree that it is racist. But none the less, I took an oath. I did once exchange with a Japanese man who taught me Jiujitsu. My dad would have likely beaten me to death if he had known what I was up to. He hated Japs. But he was Asian of sorts, right?
As for not progressing, I don't think that even enters into it at all. I have said this before, I have not ever come up on a person trained in my own or any other lineage of Wing Chun. Ever. I have fought with people that had some karate training, some fairly good boxers, some that I have no idea what style or system they were using. I even fought a fellow that was considered to be the best Mantis fighter in New Orleans and beat him so badly I was shunned for my brutality. But then I was afraid of him. I was told he would likely kill me and I almost ran away rather than fight him. But when I did decide to do it, I was committed to destroying him instead. And I did.
I have known a number of people over the years that were just plain natural fighters and even without any formal martial training they were dangerous men in a fight and would be very difficult to fight even for a well trained fighter of any system.

[LFJ]

That reeks of racism.

Welcome to China.

[anerlich]

Agreed, who do they know their style works against other styles ?

Nail on the head.

[wingchunIan]

another lineage of Wing Chun that is still closed door.

door..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6WAImqlwQ

Pity they couldn't have kept it closed a bit tighter.

[stonecrusher69]

Pity they couldn't have kept it closed a bit tighter.

Why is that?

[Pakua4581]

There is nothing 'closed door' about this,its a standard interpretation of Wing Chun principles put together in one place. The name Fut Sao may have to do with buddhist connotations associated with Wing Chun (maybe taken from the Sam Pai Fut section?).As for the Snake and Crane aspect,it is said that Wing Chun may be a marriage of Emei Snake with Fukchien Crane.

Isnt there a Jong Kuen Form still taught somewhere in Hong Kong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCqmp7oQhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ZVvu6wlrk

Perhaps this is an interpretation of one of the ancestors of this line who may have learnt different expressions of Wing Chun from different sources,amalgamated the understanding and then passed it on.

As for "Closed door" systems being untested,are not most of what is available for study in this day and age once considered as 'closed door' and initially were in the hands of a few?

Those who know how to apply what they know will apply what they know,plain and simple!