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    Punching Art

    If punching art, what else do you need besides:

    1. jab,
    2. cross,
    3. uppercut,
    4. hook (haymaker)?

    Of course you can add

    5. hammer fist,
    6. back fist,
    7. side strike (XingYi Heng Chuan),
    8. curve strike (Mantis Ha Chuan).

    But how often will you use 5, 6, 7, and 8?

    What's your opinion on this?
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    5. You see hammer fist used more and more. Especially when you need to soften up a downed opponent for ground work or to break a guard / half guard situation. Standing not so much, but I think that's a matter of not enough exposure and training to the technique - not a measure of effectiveness or strategic preference.

    8. is being used more and more - and it's resulted in some KO's, it's always been part of old school boxing though - I believe they called it a winging knuckle punch. It's also one that's not being used only because of lack of training and exposure. Not effectiveness.

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    1. Jab
    2. Cross
    3. Lead Hook
    4. Rear Hook
    5. Lead Uppercut
    6. Rear Uppercut
    7. Rear Overhand
    8. Spinning Backfist


    Even if you want to change the hand formation, the delivery remains the same.

    I only teach hammer fists for ground fighting.
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    Only a fool limits his tools. Train all fist and leg techniques and you may be lucky enough to have something in your box your opponent doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Paximus View Post
    Only a fool limits his tools. Train all fist and leg techniques and you may be lucky enough to have something in your box your opponent doesn't.
    This is foolish. Get really good at 6 punches, 5 kicks, 12 throws, and 8 submissions, and you can beat 95% of anyone anywhere.

    The other 5%, you probably wouldn't beat, regardless of what you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    This is foolish. Get really good at 6 punches, 5 kicks, 12 throws, and 8 submissions, and you can beat 95% of anyone anywhere.

    The other 5%, you probably wouldn't beat, regardless of what you know.
    This is sound advice, and I agree with both this comment and MKs list of punches, I would personally also train the hammerfist for standing (but thatís because one of the arts I train is lung ying and itís a big part of that style) but truth be told 9 times out of 10 I use jab cross uppercut overhand and hook (close and long range) and thatís it

    Hell you can mess most people up with just using jab cross

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    You strike OUT, you strike UP, you strike DOWN, you strike BACK and you strike "AROUND".
    How you do that is up to you of course.
    I prefer:
    Jab
    Cross
    hook
    uppercut
    And variations there of.
    Hammerfist and backfist I do as well.
    I once smashed a guy in the occipital area and he went down fast (hammer fist).
    I have noticed that the back fist can be used as a jab from some good angles but also can be used as a "smasher" to the ribs really well.
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    Assume we use the following 6 punches:

    1. jab,
    2. cross,
    3. uppercut,
    4. hook,
    5. back fist,
    6. hammer fist.

    If we also include the following 4 kicks:

    7. front kick,
    8. houndhouse kick,
    9. side kick,
    10. spin hook kick.

    Does this pretty much cover the "striking art"? The number "10" sound like a good number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Assume we use the following 6 punches:

    - jab,
    - cross,
    - uppercut,
    - hook,
    - back fist,
    - hammer fist.

    If we also include the following 4 kicks:

    - front kick,
    - houndhouse kick,
    - side kick,
    - spin hook kick.

    Does this pretty much cover the "striking art"? The number "10" sound like a good number.
    Pretty much. Ad a catchkick, clinch, headlock throw, and hip toss and you have basic san shou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Assume we use the following 6 punches:

    1. jab,
    2. cross,
    3. uppercut,
    4. hook,
    5. back fist,
    6. hammer fist.

    If we also include the following 4 kicks:

    7. front kick,
    8. houndhouse kick,
    9. side kick,
    10. spin hook kick.

    Does this pretty much cover the "striking art"? The number "10" sound like a good number.
    why the spinning hook? what about elbows and knees? no palm strikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Paximus View Post
    Only a fool limits his tools. Train all fist and leg techniques and you may be lucky enough to have something in your box your opponent doesn't.
    ďI fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.Ē - Bruce Lee

    many good judoka only really practice 8 throws - one for each direction - even though judo has many throwing techniques.

    in mma venues, which striking arts have the most success? boxing & Thai boxing, even despite their limited toolbox.
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    The reason that a system has many techniques is so that the practitioners can find the right ones for them.
    People come in all shapes, sizes and "attitudes" and what works for A may not work for B and what works for B may not work for C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Assume we use the following 6 punches:

    1. jab,
    2. cross,
    3. uppercut,
    4. hook,
    5. back fist,
    6. hammer fist.

    If we also include the following 4 kicks:

    7. front kick,
    8. houndhouse kick,
    9. side kick,
    10. spin hook kick.

    Does this pretty much cover the "striking art"? The number "10" sound like a good number.
    I teach these kicks:

    1. Lead leg push kick (Teep)
    2. Rear leg push kick (te)
    3. Lead leg side kick
    4. Rear leg side kick
    5. Lead leg roundhouse (muay thai style)
    6. Rear leg roundhouse (muay thai style)
    7. Rear leg spinning side kick
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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenStar View Post
    why the spinning hook? what about elbows and knees? no palm strikes?
    The back kick is similiar to the side kick. IMO, the hook kick is only good for point sparring. The spinning hook kick does have knock down power.

    Of course we can add elbows and knees. As far as the palm, if it travels the same path as the punch, it can be combined with the punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    I teach these kicks:

    1. Lead leg push kick (Teep)
    2. Rear leg push kick (te)
    3. Lead leg side kick
    4. Rear leg side kick
    5. Lead leg roundhouse (muay thai style)
    6. Rear leg roundhouse (muay thai style)
    7. Rear leg spinning side kick
    When you talk about "rear leg side kick", are you talking about spin back kick? If you have right leg forward, to spin to your left make sense. To spin to your right and side kick your back left leg just doesn't make sense to me. The longfist system also has that spin to the right back leg side kick. I have never used that in sparring. Your opponent can see that coming to easily.
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