Shawn Obasi with three other WC Sifu

[Jansingsang]

Excellent point, real skill can be demonstrated without the need to strike your student hard. I would say it takes more skill to chi-sau hard and then stop at the point of impact. Emin tends to just bash his students when in chi-sau, just brute force.

If you look at this clip on part 3.26, you will see chi sau done hard, but with no strikes to the students. From Leo Au Yeung, a clear demonstration of skill and technique without the need to hurt the student.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvGuaTk4B38

ONE WORD GARBAGE. ; I don't see any skill It's amazing what people perceive as good chi sao or what ever all i see is flailing arms and trying to look good for the. Camera joker

Excellent point, real skill can be demonstrated without the need to strike your student hard. I would say it takes more skill to chi-sau hard and then stop at the point of impact. Emin tends to just bash his students when in chi-sau, just brute force.

If you look at this clip on part 3.26, you will see chi sau done hard, but with no strikes to the students. From Leo Au Yeung, a clear demonstration of skill and technique without the need to hurt the student.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvGuaTk4B38

[thedreamer7]

ONE WORD GARBAGE. ; I don't see any skill It's amazing what people perceive as good chi sao or what ever all i see is flailing arms and trying to look good for the. Camera joker

Can you show us an example? Or is this just trolling...

[Jansingsang]

Can you show us an example? Or is this just trolling...

Yep just trolling not allowed to have a opinion Give this piluck a cigar

[Grumblegeezer]

The chi Sao between Shawn and Emin lacked forward intent/ pressure/ structure. I'm only going off what I see in the video and that's rolling soft without whole body forward pressure. What I see is limp sticky arm rolling.. And Gumblegeezer said that you don't dare go hard cause Emin will hurt you.

Jake, I wouldn't ever characterize Emin's Chi-Sau as limp. Actually, for a large, strong guy, he is surprizingly yielding, but there is still a lot of foward intent.

And, I don't believe he's a total bully either. He definitely holds back from hurting his students. I know a couple of EBMAS guys and they love him. But the people who train with him closely, train very physically. If they can't take it physically, they will get hurt. Maybe that's just good, realistic training. Not for me though. What I was getting at in my comment about Obasi, is that Emin wouldn't tolerate a challenging attitude like Obasi showed towards Randy Williams. No way.

[LaRoux]

Jake, I wouldn't ever characterize Emin's Chi-Sau as limp. Actually, for a large, strong guy, he is surprizingly yielding, but there is still a lot of foward intent.

And, I don't believe he's a total bully either. He definitely holds back from hurting his students. I know a couple of EBMAS guys and they love him. But the people who train with him closely, train very physically. If they can't take it physically, they will get hurt. Maybe that's just good, realistic training. Not for me though. What I was getting at in my comment about Obasi, is that Emin wouldn't tolerate a challenging attitude like Obasi showed towards Randy Williams. No way.

Somehow I have a feeling that if Boztepe "didn't allow" Obasi to have a challenging attitude, Obasi could simply do the same thing and take things out of the realm of chi sao and pretty much school Boztepe.

[Grumblegeezer]

Somehow I have a feeling that if Boztepe "didn't allow" Obasi to have a challenging attitude, Obasi could simply do the same thing and take things out of the realm of chi sao and pretty much school Boztepe.

I doubt it. Old as Emin is, he's still a tough guy. But either way, it would be fun to watch!

[sanjuro_ronin]

I stole these clips from a guy's post on another forum. I hadn't seen them before and got a kick out of them. Check 'em out.

Shawn Obasi Rolling with Randy Williams, Sam Kwok and Emin Boztepe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvuZOlm_aI - Obasi & Sifu Kwok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYHOA_8aXA - Obasi & Sifu Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-fElkCj0qk - Obasi & Sifu Boztepe

3 different clips, 3 different types of chi sao.

[Subitai]

Just a question for you guys,

You always hear allot about Philip Bayer on this forum and also Emin...I was wondering if these 2 gentleman have ever crossed hands?

Any first hand accounts?

Just curious because those 2 seem to be the spoken of very often.

[Sihing73]

I doubt it. Old as Emin is, he's still a tough guy. But either way, it would be fun to watch!

I have met and trained with Emin, years ago when he was still associated with LT and KK. To consider him old makes me feel bad myself as I believe I am older than him.

I have heard that Emin has mellowed over the years, I feel he was rather the Bully in the early days. Not taking anything away from his skill or training. Emin always did train hard no matter what, and you cannot take the resultant skill away from him.

[anerlich]

Just a question for you guys,

You always hear allot about Philip Bayer on this forum and also Emin...I was wondering if these 2 gentleman have ever crossed hands?

Any first hand accounts?

Just curious because those 2 seem to be the spoken of very often.

Excellent question. This would definitely be a meeting of two of the better European practitioners of their generation.

[thedreamer7]

Just a question for you guys,

You always hear allot about Philip Bayer on this forum and also Emin...I was wondering if these 2 gentleman have ever crossed hands?

Any first hand accounts?

Just curious because those 2 seem to be the spoken of very often.

Emin well known because of the William Cheung fight?

[anerlich]

Emin well known because of the William Cheung fight?

In your case, apparently so.

[Grumblegeezer]

I have met and trained with Emin, years ago when he was still associated with LT and KK. To consider him old makes me feel bad myself as I believe I am older than him.

I have heard that Emin has mellowed over the years, I feel he was rather the Bully in the early days. Not taking anything away from his skill or training. Emin always did train hard no matter what, and you cannot take the resultant skill away from him.

Exactly my point. I'm about 6 or 7 years older than Emin myself. Like you, I met him when he first came to the US back in the late 80's and had the same impression. He was pretty rough. Much later I met him again at some Latosa Escrima seminars I attended, and he was much mellower. He even introduced me to his students as their "uncle", even though I am not an EBMAS member. I thought that was generous.

[Frost]

I doubt it. Old as Emin is, he's still a tough guy. But either way, it would be fun to watch!

really is this based on having seen |Emin fight full contact or on his reputation?
I ask because realistically only one of them as anything like a decent variable fight record, and whilst one has been in the cage and fought MMA the other went running when the Gracie's answered his challenge and begged students of john blumming not to fight him when they called him on his attitude (this was mentioned by bluming himself in a television interview here in the uk)

[thedreamer7]

really is this based on having seen |Emin fight full contact or on his reputation?
I ask because realistically only one of them as anything like a decent variable fight record, and whilst one has been in the cage and fought MMA the other went running when the Gracie's answered his challenge and begged students of john blumming not to fight him when they called him on his attitude (this was mentioned by bluming himself in a television interview here in the uk)

Just read the article from John Blumming, thanks its interesting...
http://www.realfighting.com/content.php?id=93