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Its easy to sense, if as in the clip you have contact with the arms but more importantly the head butt can only work if the centre is open. If you occupy the centre then it is like the Blackadder clip where he cant be bothered to punch baldrick and gets baldrick to run onto his fist instead.Originally Posted by thedreamer7
Chi-sau is meant to be a sensitivity exercise. Adding a head butt is dangerous and I am not sure how you could sense it
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Sifu Williams is older actually. Clean leaving does you good. :P
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Apart from the fact that on most occasions he was so far out of range for the headbutt to be effective that it was comical
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Or brill cream, gets the gray out.
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The head butts better if the other guy is coming in not hanging back with his head turned , and the nose would be the target , not the chest .
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The video looks to me like he had him by the back of the neck on the headbutts and was clearly controlling it. It would get kind of messy on the 1st one making contact if he didn't.
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“Those who practice gung fu are as numerous as the hairs on a bull’s body, those who actually have gung fu are as few as the horns.”
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Well if it was no rules why so angry about face shots then?
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I could use some of that!
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I don't think anyone likes getting their face touched.
Well maybe some people do but they pay extra for that.
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“Those who practice gung fu are as numerous as the hairs on a bull’s body, those who actually have gung fu are as few as the horns.”
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When your partner requests no contact to the face it would be just good manners to comply, why wouldn't you. If the contact is there on a regular basis either your partner doesn't have sufficient control of his hands to comply or he does and he simply doesn't want to comply. At that point your choice is to become a punching bag or hit him back. I don't see a problem here.
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Who mentioned the chest??? And actually from a fighting perspective ( not chi sao) head butts to the temple and the side of the jaw are just as if not more effective than those targetting the nose. The fact is though if the other person has their hands up and on the centre attempting to headbutt just gets you a face full of hand.
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It doesn't matter if there is a neck grab or not if the intended recipient has their hands up and on the centre the headbutt simply powers the deliverers face into a hand coming in the other direction. Headbutts are only effective from very close range when the target's hands are down or otherwise immobilised / out of the way.
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Yes those would be effective if hit right, I was address more of a position that was not easy to move or retreat from, the side hit leaves more room for escape by simply dropping the head, like he seemed to be doing.
Anybody have the audio of this ?, that might shed more light on the problem .
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I just took another close look at the video as everyone seems to be focusing on the headbutt. On most of them RW is either controlling the centerline, it is open or his partners hands are low. Either way it is a useful tool to use in CS and CRCA uses it a lot. While our drills teach the technique CS and sparring actually allow us to use it with a noncompliant partner. Good training in our book.
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Yeah, within what you would call "close ranged combat" yes. But this was meant to be a chi sau session?
Well, tbh, looking at Randy's behaviour, what he says and how he acts in these vids, I have to say that it is not indicative of what I would call a Sifu. Further, having watched his instructional vids and having read his books, well, I still feel that he is lacking. That said, it is primarily his behaviour that, for me at least, inclines me to not refer to him with the Sifu title in tow.
Yes, I noted that myself. Thing is many of these techniques are last ditch desperation techniques. They are not really techniques to come out in chi sau. He only does them because he lacks the ability and skill to use the more 'standard' toolsets available from wing chun, when chi sauing.
Randy uses a lot of strength and speed in his wing chun. I believe he thinks himself of a bigger physical stature than he actually is and this, I believe, effects the way he does wing chun. Small man complex alpha male, but really a beta, syndrome?
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