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[Hendrik]

Are you saying that they can’t be seen on tape without some type of lab work and the human eye cannot see that results/affects of one's dynamic’s in play, but only the calibrations of lab work could show your dynamic’s in application?

I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .

As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.

As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.

It is not about me, but the physics behind the art which I am interested.
It is also not who does it better. But does the basic elements covered which I am interested.

Some people is interested in who is better aspect where I am interested in what is the basic elements aspect of WCK.

[GlennR]

I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .

As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.

As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.

It is no about me, but the physics behind the art which I am interested.
It is also not who does it better. But does the basic elements covered which I am interested.

TST does open demos of his application of structure and Nim Lik...... funny how you cant

[Hendrik]

TST does open demos of his application of structure and Nim Lik...... funny how you cant

You clearly don't understand what I have posted.

Also, TST can demo all he loves. But still, never explain it in term of momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. Not to mention, I am not interested in demo, but interested in a well define process where everyone can practice , and also not limited to standing in a particular way as TST holding his structure in stationary.

Sorry, there is no such thing as Nim Lik or mind power in the world of physics. Mind is not in the realm of momentum. Also, there are Atleast five basic ways of handling momentum in WCK . Holding structure as TST is to the most one out of five.


So, put it is this way.

I am interested in the process of how to build a car and drive it. Then, demo how good one can ride a single wheel cycle. So, it is not about who but what technology and why.

[GlennR]

You clearly don't understand what I have posted.

Also, TST can demo all he loves. But still, never explain it in term of momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. Not to mention, I am not interested in demo, but interested in a well define process where everyone can practice , and also not limited to standing in a particular way as TST holding his structure in stationary.

Sorry, there is no such thing as Nim Lik or mind power in the world of physics. Mind is not in the realm of momentum. Also, there are Atleast five basic ways of handling momentum. Holding structure as TST is to the most one out of five.

But after all your videos/rants and so on.... he can do what he says he can..

You can do what??

[Hendrik]

But after all your videos/rants and so on.... he can do what he says he can..

You can do what??

Anyone follow the instruction will be able to do it. It doesn't have to be me.
Because it is a proven process. It is the process. It is not about me. Take the process and develop it in your own body and have it yourself is the key.

In fact, if I can do what I say is no good enough for me.
A process that can transform others in a few hours or days is my goal.



Seriously, have you ever ever ever see anyone in mma standing in TST nim Lik stance and not get take down or crush down? If not, what is the value of the demo?

Also, talking nim Lik is actually living in a momentum vacuum realm. Unless one can have the incoming momentum and acceleration considered, one is running blind of in coming momentum trajectory and limit. Demo is fine, but in real life it is not realistic at all when others is rush into one. Thus, how can one even handle the basic momentum, we are not even talking pro mma yet.

[GlennR]

Anyone follow the instruction will be able to do it. It doesn't have to be me.
Because it is a proven process. It is the process. It is not about me. Take the process and develop it in your own body and have it yourself is the key.

In fact, if I can do what I say is no good enough for me.
A process that can transform others in a few hours or days is my goal.



Seriously, have you ever ever ever see anyone in mma standing in TST nim Lik stance and not get take down or crush down? If not, what is the value of the demo?

Youre so hopelessly lost

[Hendrik]

Youre so hopelessly lost

Sure, I am lost in your eyes. Because I don't live in a momentum vacuum world like you talking nim Lik and qi power.

I Just a simple basic guy who know, one needs to be able to know how to handle momentum and acceleration within the limit in order just to cover the basic motion handling. Not even talk dealing with the pro mma.

Thus, don't expect me to demo like guru in utube. I am just a simple basic guy try to get simple basic clear.

[YouKnowWho]

Hendrik,

I can truly feel your pain here. You have some idea that you have spent a great deal amount of your lifetime to obtain and develop it. You feel strongly about it and you like to share with others. Unfortunately, for some unknow reason, people are just not interest.

In another forum I tried to share my life time experience with some Judo guys about "the danger of body spin". Since it concerns with the kernal of the Judo art, people felt defensively. I soon found out that in order to convince others, I was "teaching an online class but without pay".

Confucius said, "When a piece of jade is hidden in the closet and people don't know it's there, you should not feel upset." He also said, "When nobody care about your opinion, you should get a raffle and float on ocean".

It's good to help those who needs help. It's stupid to help those who doesn't want to be helped. Sometime the more that you write, the more that you may get into argument. If argument will raise your blood pressure, I just don't see any good reason to do so.

After we had retired from our work force (I don't know how old you are but I have retired for almost 10 years by now), TCMA is the only thing that left in our daily life. We want to talk about TCMA all day long because that's where our hearts are.

This was what I did in another forum.

- I typed exactly what I want to say.
- I then checked to see if I had repeated myself with my own words.
- I then deleted those words that I had said in the past.
- Finally I found out that I had nothing new to say.
- I then deleted my entire post right way.

This way,

- I had expressed my opinion (type it and delete it),
- I don't have to repeat myself, and
- I could also avoid argument.

After all no matter how long the fun party (TCMA online discussion) may last, there will always be an ending day. Oneday when you and I are 90 years old, and find out that we are arguing with a 20 years old how to do a punch, we will both feel "silly" and end with to

- get a rope,
- find a quite place, and
- hang ourselves.

[Ali. R]

I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .

But, by the way you talk about it, it seem or sounds like you think you have a handle on it. I have a degree in physical education and deal with physics all the time (hydraulic specialist). And all of the above can be seen and understood with the naked eye dealing with physical attributes.

As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.

I’m sure that there are many members here that can follow what they see in real time, and without lab result.

As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.

Even most ‘Yip Man’ systems know of the concepts of jamming, wedging, and redirecting structure dealing within transition to transition and not holding colliding structural intents (dynamics through softness/springy energies), structures in most cases are not held when it’s time to reroute/redirect energy, it’s within the transition of application where all of the dynamics are truly seen.

[anerlich]

Joy,

The article on snake crane elements in the red boat era is to present what exist in that era as it is by evidence .

It is not about chogar or Ipman or anyone or any evolution.

It is we find the evidence and we present them as it is. The WCK world deserve to see what is exist.

Thus, in these article we use ancient WCK kuen kuit as the reference And not anyone lineage. But common denominator of red boat era WCK.


The YouTube in the thread is to present What is a snake body or snake engine, how the snake body related to the physical world in term of momentum, force, force change, and accereation, the physics basic elements.

How snake body support the
four type of basic momentum/force operation: push back, sustain, recieve, and issue.
three types of WCK force change handling : the direct, roundabout, and recovery.
five common type of momentum/force play basic elements : lead, collision, split, block, and absorb. Which are the basic of chisau and combat applications.

How the red boat era WCK elements translate to today's view.

What you have written above is the content of the video, which I watched.

Observations:

The vid had a great deal of repetition. You could have condensed the 27 minutes into 5 or less with just a little better scripting and rehearsal. If people don't get something the first time, they can play it back!

The way it was presented there is little more real info provided other than what you wrote above, and thus the vid is arguably redundant, except perhaps for ego purposes.

Demonstrations of the basic elements would have been much more effective if they had been performed on a training partner.

And yes, watching you talk to the camera for 27 minutes is quite tedious. you are not Will Ferrell, and you are certainly not Fiona Bruce.

[Hendrik]

John,

Thanks for your sharing.

It is expected that some might interest and some doesn't . And it is ok.

My view is as you know in the real combat, there is momentum, acceleration, and limits because we live in a physical world.

There are basic ways of handling the momentu or force such as : colision, block, split, lead, and absorb. It is not just single solution stand there and chain punch with body structure support .

And to handle the above, one needs to develop ones body. Only when the body handling is developed to some level, one can play.

You use to ask me, why solo only. Well, because if one doesnt understand solo and develop the body to a cretain degree, one doesn't even have the ticket to play.

All these stuffs are scientific and not mythic. With a single solution type of wing Chun it is very limited.

People talk about if one art can work at resistance.

In my simple mind , resistance just means, a reality of monentum world, how good is one prepare or develop ones body for the job, what strategy one has train to cover different scenario.

The rest no one has control. But if one doesn't even know the above, there is not likely one can face resistance. So, facing is not just about gung ho or brave, one needs the preparation to support the facing.

I don't know it all but, I certainly never believe in a one solution or trial and Erro fighting. I admire people who has clean short such as your sifu the late Gm Chang dung shen.

The following is a trouble , living in a momentum vacuum world with a single solution , without knowing it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAN-ZKQlucg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVDcxD-LBtw

There goes the nim Lik and structure stuffs. I never believe in these because I am a kyokushin and other styles beside wcner.

Hendrik,

I can truly feel your pain here. You have some idea that you have spent a great deal amount of your lifetime to obtain and develop it. You feel strongly about it and you like to share with others. Unfortunately, for some unknow reason, people are just not interest.

In another forum I tried to share my life time experience with some Judo guys about "the danger of body spin". Since it concerns with the kernal of the Judo art, people felt defensively. I soon found out that in order to convince others, I was "teaching an online class but without pay".

Confucius said, "When a piece of jade is hidden in the closet and people don't know it's there, you should not feel upset." He also said, "When nobody care about your opinion, you should get a raffle and float on ocean".

It's good to help those who needs help. It's stupid to help those who doesn't want to be helped. Sometime the more that you write, the more that you may get into argument. If argument will raise your blood pressure, I just don't see any good reason to do so.

After we had retired from our work force (I don't know how old you are but I have retired for almost 10 years by now), TCMA is the only thing that left in our daily life. We want to talk about TCMA all day long because that's where our hearts are.

This was what I did in another forum.

- I typed exactly what I want to say.
- I then checked to see if I had repeated myself with my own words.
- I then deleted those words that I had said in the past.
- Finally I found out that I had nothing new to say.
- I then deleted my entire post right way.

This way,

- I had expressed my opinion (type it and delete it),
- I don't have to repeat myself, and
- I could also avoid argument.

After all no matter how long the fun party (TCMA online discussion) may last, there will always be an ending day. Oneday when you and I are 90 years old, and find out that we are arguing with a 20 years old how to do a punch, we will both feel "silly" and end with to

- get a rope,
- find a quite place, and
- hang ourselves.

[Hendrik]

Thanks and appreciate for your advise.
Will sure work on improvement.

What you have written above is the content of the video, which I watched.

Observations:

The vid had a great deal of repetition. You could have condensed the 27 minutes into 5 or less with just a little better scripting and rehearsal. If people don't get something the first time, they can play it back!

The way it was presented there is little more real info provided other than what you wrote above, and thus the vid is arguably redundant, except perhaps for ego purposes.

Demonstrations of the basic elements would have been much more effective if they had been performed on a training partner.

And yes, watching you talk to the camera for 27 minutes is quite tedious. you are not Will Ferrell, and you are certainly not Fiona Bruce.

[Hendrik]

I have a degree in physical education and deal with physics all the time (hydraulic specialist). And all of the above can be seen and understood with the naked eye dealing with physical attributes. ----Ali

Great!
Then you know what I am talking about. Using physical lab experiment will be solid for everyone experience or not. Since the intention is to explore what is it. Instead of how good who can do what.


Even most ‘Yip Man’ systems know of the concepts of jamming, wedging, and redirecting structure dealing within transition to transition and not holding colliding structural intents (dynamics through softness/springy energies), structures in most cases are not held when it’s time to reroute/redirect energy, it’s within the transition of application where all of the dynamics are truly seen.--------Ali

True.
However, the five basic elements needs very different dynamic structure which in general not brought up and clearly define.

Ie. jammingm wedging redirecting might be still within the domain of blocking. Instead of blocking, splitting, leading, which required three types of dynamic structures.

A structure which is based on big limbs movement, and a structure which play with change of force directly via minute joints aligment or springy force handling are different structures.

[GlennR]

Sure, I am lost in your eyes. Because I don't live in a momentum vacuum world like you talking nim Lik and qi power.

Im not big on labels, but TST can do what he says.... and you?

I Just a simple basic guy who know, one needs to be able to know how to handle momentum and acceleration within the limit in order just to cover the basic motion handling. Not even talk dealing with the pro mma.

How would you know anything you say works?
A vivid imagination perhaps?

Thus, don't expect me to demo like guru in utube. I am just a simple basic guy try to get simple basic clear.

2 points.

1. You are a YouTube guru.......... what do you call your hours of you tube footage???

2. Simple?!?! You over complicate everything.... if it was so simple why the millions of words????

[Hendrik]

Great opinions. Thanks!

Im not big on labels, but TST can do what he says.... and you?



How would you know anything you say works?
A vivid imagination perhaps?



2 points.

1. You are a YouTube guru.......... what do you call your hours of you tube footage???

2. Simple?!?! You over complicate everything.... if it was so simple why the millions of words????