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    Fallon Fox

    I've been waiting for this one. It has already happened in Muay Thai, but then, if you know anything about Thailand, that was to be expected sooner. We've discussed Gay MMA (where you people couldn't stay civil enough to not get it locked down) and there was some discussion of Liz Carmouche's orientation on the RR thread, and of course, the MMA Gay porn thread , but transgender is a little different.

    Posted: Tue March 5, 2013 5:30PM; Updated: Tue March 5, 2013 6:05PM
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    Transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox faces licensing problems


    Fallon Fox (center) won her professional debut at a King of the Cage event in Idaho last May.
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    Fallon Fox is bracing herself for controversy, and as the first on-record transgender female fighter in mixed martial arts, she's going to get plenty of it.

    On Monday, the 37-year-old Fox (2-0) revealed exclusively to SI.com that she's a transgender fighter -- the first on record, male or female, to compete in the combat sport. Fox won her second professional bout with a 39-second knockout (via knee) last Saturday at Championship Fighting Alliance 10 in Coral Gables, Fla.

    Fox, who underwent gender reassignment surgery in 2006 along with the supplemental hormonal therapy, is scheduled to fight again for the CFA on April 20 in the semifinals of its eight-woman featherweight tournament. However, Fox's license approval is now under investigation with Florida's Dept. of Business and Professional Regulation.

    "Our department is currently investigating allegations pertaining to the information provided on [Fox's] application," wrote Sandi Copes Poreda, Director of Communications for the DBPR, which oversees the Florida State Boxing Commission.

    On her application, a copy of which was provided to SI.com, Fox stated that she held an MMA combatant's license issued in 2013 by the California State Athletic Commission. However, CSAC Executive Director Andy Foster confirmed that Fox's application for licensure was still under review, though the fighter and her manager, Brett Atchley, believed she had received notice of her licensure in the mail in late February. Licensure secured in other jurisdictions -- particularly in a key state like California -- can weigh heavily on a regulatory body's review of a new applicant's information.

    In addition, Fox admits she did not disclose her transgender history, and presumably the pertaining medical documents that would have accompanied her Florida application, because she was not asked to.

    In response to inquiries regarding Fox's transgender status or if she was obligated to disclose it, Poreda wrote, "The Florida State Boxing Commission is in the process of updating the rules for professional MMA events and this topic will be included in an upcoming workshop on changes to the administrative rules."

    Fox claims her CSAC-issued combatant's license was mailed to her approximately two weeks ago, after she'd spoken with a CSAC representative via phone and submitted an application packet containing the required medical paperwork, as well as a detailed history of her transgender-related surgeries.

    CSAC Executive Officer Foster said the state agency had only mailed Fox a receipt for the initial $60 application -- the standard procedure for all athletes who file for licensure consideration. In addition, Foster said that Fox also applied for a national identification card with his office and that approval was also still pending. The card is a second requirement of athletes wishing to compete within most North American jurisdictions, as it connects the fighter's records to a central database those commissions can collectively review. Fox stated she'd been granted the card in Florida. However, the DBPR said this second application was still pending.

    "I think it's imperative to remember that the Florida commission allowed this fight, not the California commission," said Foster. "California merely received and is processing the application. We're working on the necessary medical reviews. We simply have an application."

    Following his initial review of Fox's packet, Foster said both he and the CSAC's medical review board would require additional documentation from the athlete during its forthcoming vetting process, though he said Fox would be afforded the same opportunity to provide this information as any other applicant.

    According to Foster, the CSAC did not receive any inquiries from the Florida regulatory body regarding Fox's purported licensure in California. Foster was initially unaware of Fox's first communication with the CSAC office through another official.

    "CSAC staff handled this without notifying me of the unusual circumstances," said Foster. "Because this is the first of its kind situation, this matter should have been referred to me for review under the commission's medical review panel, which ultimately makes a decision in how to proceed in a case like this. I'm taking appropriate actions to make sure this protocol is followed next time."

    For her pro debut in May 2012, Fox fought in Idaho for the King of the Cage promotion, which franchises its brand worldwide to multiple, non-affiliated promoters at any given time. Fox said the bout, which she won by first-round stoppage, took place on sovereign land, which is exempt from state oversight. Fox said she was only required to submit bloodwork and take a pregnancy test, and was unsure if she'd done so under the promotion itself or an overseeing body assigned by the Coeur D'Alene Native American Tribe. Fox's three previous amateur bouts, all won by first-round submission, were held in Illinois, where she is a resident.
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    Can't wait to see Midget MMA next...

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    So dude chopped of the sausage and now fights a bunch of girls? I don't really think thats fair.
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    How did I know Lucas would comment on this thread?
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    lol!!! you have me pegged!
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    Now I know where

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    lol!!! you have me pegged!
    At least you still have a peg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    So dude chopped of the sausage and now fights a bunch of girls? I don't really think thats fair.
    actually the sausage is not chopped off. the balls are..then the sausage is sliced in half and inverted to look like a *****(i filmed the surgery for a doc im working on..and just thought i should burn that image into everyone's mind as it will forever be burned in mine)

    now here is the thing..im a big supporter of gay rights, and the lgbtq community HOWEVER...i think she will have a genetic advantage over the other woman in her weight class. because her body will never fully suppress the amount of testosterone she uses..add to that the fact that most female fighters Use it anyways. but thats just a strength advantage... as we all know being strong doesnt make you a good fighter.. george foreman was WAY stronger then muhammid ali..and we saw who won that fight right? being born a man won't make her a better skilled fighter. so let her fight.


    its funny i started writing this thinking one thing.. but then i thought bruce lee and muhammid ali and many other great fighters who fought stronger opponents and won..and im like she doesnt have that much of an advantage.

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    cnn interview with her

    so, she didn't start mma till after her reassignment surgury...not sure what that speaks to
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug maverick View Post
    actually the sausage is not chopped off. the balls are..then the sausage is sliced in half and inverted to look like a *****(i filmed the surgery for a doc im working on..and just thought i should burn that image into everyone's mind as it will forever be burned in mine)

    now here is the thing..im a big supporter of gay rights, and the lgbtq community HOWEVER...i think she will have a genetic advantage over the other woman in her weight class. because her body will never fully suppress the amount of testosterone she uses..add to that the fact that most female fighters Use it anyways. but thats just a strength advantage... as we all know being strong doesnt make you a good fighter.. george foreman was WAY stronger then muhammid ali..and we saw who won that fight right? being born a man won't make her a better skilled fighter. so let her fight.


    its funny i started writing this thinking one thing.. but then i thought bruce lee and muhammid ali and many other great fighters who fought stronger opponents and won..and im like she doesnt have that much of an advantage.
    but, it's still not apples vs. apples.

    other side of the coin: does anyone think a transgenderd male (female to male) would ever want to fight against guys? i think the same genetics apply the other way: no one born a female will ever be as strong as a male of the same weight. (all else being equal: same training regime, etc)

    ...hmmm...why wouldn't the drug protocols/hormone therapy that a transgender fighter has to be on immediatly disqualify them from fighting pro anyways?
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

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    It's simpler than you think.

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    Get transgendered, then start a career in mma?

    Does that seem off to anyone else but me?

    Oh wait..it does.

    yeah, well, lets see what comes of this.
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    Been there, done that, Brule...

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    Not me personally, mind you, but there's already a thread here and a websearch will provide more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Not me personally, mind you, but there's already a thread here and a websearch will provide more.

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    I missed that one.....Now i don't want to know what's next

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    not really random thoughts on it, but not a cohesive argument either

    her genetic footprint will not change no matter how much estrogen therapy she takes.

    i don't think you can erase the basic fact that she was born male.

    i think she will always have an advantage over women her same weight.

    maybe make her fight both men and women her own weight class?

    allow her to fight but against volunteers? don't make it mandatory for another women to have to fight her?
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

    "Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"

    It's simpler than you think.

    I could be completely wrong"

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    Well this is unfair as hell for the woman this shemale is fighting.

    Men are just way stronger than women, in general, at the same weight class.

    The shemale should be fighting other men.

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