Lifting is not the only way to get strong.

[JamesC]

[Frost]

Cliffs notes on this vibrational stuff? Are you guys talking about a Shake Weight?

not quite no lol http://www.sport-tiedje.co.uk/en/Tau...FaTMtAodKSAAyQ

the russians being...well russian and practical....used body vibraion as well as machines as its ....well..inexpensive lol

scott Sonnen shows some of these exercises in his videos, pavel shows some relaxation and muscle shaking with a partner drills as well, the soviets used them to help warm up the body, and to relax between heavy lifting sessions

[Golden Arms]

The problem is a lot of this stuff is known, but not very useful to most trainers and ot very practical. Now do you measure training effects on yourself with out blood work, lactic work and an omegawave or HRV machine?
Verkhoshansky et al looked a lot at hormonal response to training and its effects on athletes during his time in the USSR for example, based on this he made several recommendations on how to best structure training (they also made extensive use of vibration work for recovery and warm ups etc), but for a non elite athlete what use is this?
Most people will get better simply doing their chosen sports, getting stronger and getting more explosive
(getting stronger will result in the nervous system being better able to contract the maximum amount of muscle as rapidly as possible and thus result in stronger, more explosive muscular contractions.) and then working on sports specific energy systems to ensure this better contraction can be fully utilized in your chosen sport
Not in reading endless studies which wont make much of a difference to them

Frost,

I appreciate your input. You realize it sounds like you are referencing study findings in the same post that you implied studies are not that useful to look at? Sorting out why things are working and how better to adapt them to give sport/activity specific results is in my view a key to innovation and something I take pride in doing with my down-time. If you see value in it, great, if not, then that is fine as well, but it doesn't much affect whether I do or not.

[Golden Arms]

I don't know what I am talking about.fdgdgfdgfdh

Ok. fdgdgfdgfdh

[bawang]

Ok. fdgdgfdgfdh

you said you dont even train, i quoted you word for word. what else is there to say?

[Golden Arms]

I don't know what I am talking about.

what else is there to say?

Thanks for the input Bawang, very helpful.

[Scott R. Brown]

Lets put it this way:

Lifting is not the only way to get strong, but progressive resistance IS!

[Golden Arms]

Lets put it this way:

Lifting is not the only way to get strong, but progressive resistance IS!

Amen to that.

[bawang]

Lets put it this way:

Lifting is not the only way to get strong, but progressive resistance IS!

lifting is the only way to get strong.

[Scott R. Brown]

lifting is the only way to get strong.

Do you mean lifting weights?

Have never seen a gymnast?

Or an old time Longshoreman, or Sailor, or Lumberjack....etc.

[bawang]

Do you mean lifting weights?

Have never seen a gymnast?

Or an old time Longshoreman, or Sailor, or Lumberjack....etc.

when a gymnast can beat up ronnie coleman, i will convert.

[Scott R. Brown]

when a gymnast can beat up ronnie coleman, i will convert.

How about when Ronnie Coleman can do an Iron Cross?

[bawang]

How about when Ronnie Coleman can do an Iron Cross?

maybe you prefer to hanging onto a rope and spreading your legs apart as martial training. i prefer sweating and grunting like a manly man who not afraid anything, and be trong like lion.

[Frost]

Frost,

I appreciate your input. You realize it sounds like you are referencing study findings in the same post that you implied studies are not that useful to look at? Sorting out why things are working and how better to adapt them to give sport/activity specific results is in my view a key to innovation and something I take pride in doing with my down-time. If you see value in it, great, if not, then that is fine as well, but it doesn't much affect whether I do or not.

no dichotomy i implied they are not that useful for part time athletes (in my view) whilst acknowledging that the studies are out there and people have read them.
I also posted to point out people have read them and can reference them but when we are on a forum where people still question the usefulness of lifting weights or believe it will have a negative effect on their kung fu is it really necessary to talk about them?

[Kellen Bassette]

lifting is the only way to get strong.

Lifting is a very good way...but I've known many older men in the trades who were much stronger than ripped, younger weight lifters. While their jobs were types of weight lifting, some of those guys built impressive strength without any conventional lifting.