About the importance of niem lik

[wingchunIan]

Hmmmm, How about sorry pal read the above post by tgy!

I doubt many would argue against practice makes perfect, but in the above test it is pretty clear that 24% improvement from people not trained according to your standards is pretty significant, don't you think?

What makes you think the individuals in the study weren't trained in how to visualise? Do you seriously think that people trying to conduct a meaningful comparison decided to just say to the subjects just close your eyes and imagine yourself doing it, see you later. Having read several such studies the subjects are invariably coached in visualisation techniques and supported through the process of what is typically a visualisation of a relatively simple action. The results are almost always startling and demonstrate the power of the mind, but it is naieve to believe that you can get results simply and is what leads to so many people being dismissive of the subject when they try and fail to replicate the results.

[anerlich]

Most of the popular references I've read on the subject indicate that visualisation for performance enhancement is very much a learned skill, arguably requiring at least as much discipline and investment of time as a course of meditation, in fact some argue that mindfulness meditation is an integral part of a successful sports psychology regime.

Not to diss the studies - I respect science, rather more I think than Hendrik and his sycophants - but like many things, the results you achieve are proportional to the work you put in.

[anerlich]

No, im a martial arsist

Now, i guess robinhood will jump in with some nonsense as well now

I don't think you are a martial arsist.

Hendrik and the 'hood, now they're different stories

[GlennR]

I don't think you are a martial arsist.

Hendrik and the 'hood, now they're different stories

Well picked up........... though im thinking i dont mind the term

[imperialtaichi]

Here is onto something too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROdgeF0d6Ho

Hendrik (and perhaps Robinhood too), do you know what's happening there?
Have you experienced it first hand, explained to you first hand, taught by masters first hand, and be able to do it under the same circumstances? (My answer is YES to all of the above).

Or are you theorizing from your literary research?

[imperialtaichi]

I don't think you are a martial arsist.

Hendrik and the 'hood, now they're different stories

I am also an arsist, amongst other things.

[Robinhood]

Hendrik (and perhaps Robinhood too), do you know what's happening there?
Have you experienced it first hand, explained to you first hand, taught by masters first hand, and be able to do it under the same circumstances? (My answer is YES to all of the above).

Or are you theorizing from your literary research?

Ya, not much, real.

Here is clip of a reporter that wondered why everyone was jumping around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFq-tuOAfW8

I heard that she was disassociated for her actions.

[hunt1]

Hendrik (and perhaps Robinhood too), do you know what's happening there?
Have you experienced it first hand, explained to you first hand, taught by masters first hand, and be able to do it under the same circumstances? (My answer is YES to all of the above).

Or are you theorizing from your literary research?

same thing as here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

and here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVfHZgHMUk

[imperialtaichi]

Ya, not much, real.

Here is clip of a reporter that wondered why everyone was jumping around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFq-tuOAfW8

I heard that she was disassociated for her actions.

You see, a lot of "Internal" or "Qi" demonstrations are based on controlling the subject's COG, as well as utilising his reactions. This woman could do all these weird and wonderful things on her students ONLY because they know how to work with her to give her their COG and feed her the right reactions.

Since these methods would NOT work unless you have profound control of the COG; when dealing with an opponent or an untrained participant (as in the reporter), you will NEVER produce the kind of bouncing or jumping as with the students. In this woman's case, she is foolish to think that she can produce the same effect on the reporter. She had probably NEVER crossed hands with an unco-operative opponent.

The easy part is bouncing the student; the real skill is in the capturing of the COG of a live opponent.

In the hands of an internal expert who has real fighting experience, it is done on an instant. Again, it would rarely be as spectacular as demonstrations.

Hendrik often use these type of videos to support his arguments, but because he had never been on the receiving end of these type of things, he doesn't really know what exactly is going on.

There is not magic in the real world.

[imperialtaichi]

same thing as here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

and here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVfHZgHMUk

EXACTLY my point. OK, the first clip is a bit of a joke, but Hendrik would use some of the "Internal Masters" clip to support his argument on snake engine, when he doesn't even know what is going on.

That's what I ALWAYS said, you wont know you are living a fantasy unless you test it, and test it, and test it more. Just feeling good about the way you flap your arms does not mean that it works in real life.

And the second clip, Derren Brown (a total genius) had most probably done some work on the guy prior to the demonstration. He often admits that he is a liar (all part of his skills to confuse the subject), but he is honest about his lying. ;-)

[YouKnowWho]

Someone made the following statement in another forum and I think he has the right idea.

"I think empty force 靈空勁 (LKJ) only works when there is a sender and a receiver, without a receiver, it is empty 不靈了."

Since not everybody can be your "receiver", it has no combat value at all.

[Hendrik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0714IbwC3HA

EXACTLY my point. OK, the first clip is a bit of a joke, but Hendrik would use some of the "Internal Masters" clip to support his argument on snake engine, when he doesn't even know what is going on.

That's what I ALWAYS said, you wont know you are living a fantasy unless you test it, and test it, and test it more. Just feeling good about the way you flap your arms does not mean that it works in real life.

And the second clip, Derren Brown (a total genius) had most probably done some work on the guy prior to the demonstration. He often admits that he is a liar (all part of his skills to confuse the subject), but he is honest about his lying. ;-)

[poulperadieux]

EXACTLY my point. OK, the first clip is a bit of a joke, but Hendrik would use some of the "Internal Masters" clip to support his argument on snake engine, when he doesn't even know what is going on.

That's what I ALWAYS said, you wont know you are living a fantasy unless you test it, and test it, and test it more. Just feeling good about the way you flap your arms does not mean that it works in real life.

And the second clip, Derren Brown (a total genius) had most probably done some work on the guy prior to the demonstration. He often admits that he is a liar (all part of his skills to confuse the subject), but he is honest about his lying. ;-)

What derren brown does, I tried it on 10 wrestlers on night soon after I learned Hypnosis, I worked like a charm with little preparation, and it was funny to see some fall after receiving a mimicked Kaméhaméha.

Here I explain a bit how it's done :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBVnqHud7Jo

[GlennR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0714IbwC3HA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

[imperialtaichi]

Someone made the following statement in another forum and I think he has the right idea.

"I think empty force 靈空勁 (LKJ) only works when there is a sender and a receiver, without a receiver, it is empty 不靈了."

Since not everybody can be your "receiver", it has no combat value at all.

Haha, I like that.