lower abs breathing in SLT

[thedreamer7]

for those who is interested only!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3OajZQoGIU

Some more on the topic.
http://www.wingchuntaoist.com/2012/1...breathing.html

[Hendrik]

The following is the issue of your ideas.

1. using the mind trying to control the body while the mind really doesn't know the body and end up forcing it.

2. This type of Description of "man made handling " Is not what the Chinese ima or qigong natural lower abs breathing refer as in my utube, they are different things.

3. In the process of the utube above, once one identify the response and resonance of the body naturally, one needs only to enter into the state, let it be natural. Not using mind to control.

4. Notice in the utube it concern only with exhale and let the inhale be natural happen. No effort is used at all . Also, the contract of the body is natural without man made control, but they surface naturally at exhale. That is heaven and earth different then the method describe here which is man control and over writing the natural resonance.


In fact when one is inhale, one doesn't want to hold anything , that is because one doesn't want to cause stop breathing and or sufforcated. Which then can Cause blood pressure and internal pressure to rise.



5. Without having a process, knowing exactly what the Chinese means in the ima and qigong practice. It is just impossible to get good and stable result. Many has prescribe things as the ideas here. But has the suggest person attain the state the ima or qigong practice needed ? For me, as the points I made here. These methods sounds good, but it doesn't go very far. And the result is not the same with the type present in the utube which describe how the Chinese has done it for thousand of years.

6. The following is a close practice related to today's modern scientific study, see for yourself what is the reason of the body movement while in breathing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqjKCj6d-p0


7. This is an issue of many define our own definition of lower abs breathing today! instead of first to understood what the ancient Chinese means. And thus ,will not get the result what the practice mean for.

Take a look at siu nim tau practice, how many hold thier spine, force their breathing, and no longer let the body and breathing flow with the natural dynamic way?

To correctly perform abdominal breathing simply hold your chest still (you can put your hands on it to check if it is moving to begin with) and draw air into the lungs by pulling the diagphragm down into the abdominal region.

To exhale simply let go of the diagphragm and allow it to return to its original position. Over time you can increase the volume of air drawn in. Once comfortable with drawing air into the abdomen and allowing it to expand forwards you can begin to explore allowing it to expand backwards as well but this takes time.

There is no clenching required of anything and no rocking of ........

[Vajramusti]

There are various pranayama-yoga breathing drills developed over a long long time.

sil lim tao-let the motions and breathing coordinate naturally.

[Hendrik]

Agree.

we need to know what the ancient is talking about.
And we must not define our own way.

This is another thing which is the Benifit from the red boat era slt kuen kuit. We know what is it and what result to expect from the practice.

There are various pranayama-yoga breathing drills developed over a long long time.

sil lim tao-let the motions and breathing coordinate naturally.

[Hendrik]

Breathing is a serious and indepth issue.
Unless one has experience one don't know.
Unless one knows the details one can't practice.
Unless one practice one don't get result.

you don't bore people into knowledge... That's the basics

[wingchunIan]

Hendrick I was going to quote what you posted previously but its much more concise to sum it up with "blah blah blah"

For someone who claims to have researched the chinese arts and internal martial arts in general you really do seem to have missed quite a great deal. There is a very old concept - the mind leads the breath that you seem to be oblivious to (at a more advanced level this can mean many other things but at a basic level it applies to exactly this). Eventually with practice like all things control of abdominal breathing can pass from the concious to the subconcious at which point it will appear to happen without the need to think about it but to begin with it needs to be trained especially if one has already developed the habit of breathing into the chest.
To say the mind doesn't know the body is complete and utter nonsense - total tripe. The mind at either concious or subconcious level controls everything the body does and therefore knows it very well indeed. The reason for building up the depth of breath over time is to ensure that you don't force things and defeat the object of being relaxed, soft and supple which in taoist terms is the essence of youthfulness and longevity. As for causing yourself to suffocate or giving yourself high blood pressure please you really do need to get out more and stop believing what you see on youtube. Try suffocating yourself by holding your breath, really do try it - it is impossible because the subconcious will not allow it to happen no matter how hard the concious mind tries.

As far as posture is concerned it has nothing whatsoever to do with abdominal breathing which can be practised during any moment and in any position. Posture in regards to internal practise is a separate issue useful for many things including removing inhibitions from the meridians and aligning the energy gates of the body etc

This is an issue of many define our own definition of lower abs breathing today! instead of first to understood what the ancient Chinese means. And thus ,will not get the result what the practice mean for.

What I have described is exactly what the chinese have been practising for thousands of years just without the mumbo jumbo rubbish thrown in and perpetuated by people like your good self for the sole purpose of mystifying what is in fact a very simple and inherently natural activity.

[Scott R. Brown]

Good, i was just about to recommend a therapist

Why?

You know a therapist that needs some help?

[Hendrik]

Why shoot me the messenger who present what the ancient Chinese means and the process to get result?

Your level of practice attain is the proof of what is you mastering of breathing. Can you do it? Or just you think how you can do it base on your thinking. No one can get away from the fact of facing oneself.


Also, as you said

[There is a very old concept - the mind leads the breath that you seem to be oblivious to (at a more advanced level this can mean many other things but at a basic level it applies to exactly this). ]


Mind leads the breath? What is mind?

Forget about it. You mis understood the whole thing .
This path can't even get into the entry level.
Not in practice.

Don't believe me, go to a lab , get brain wave...biofeedback monitoring.




As for your claim of

[What I have described is exactly what the chinese have been practising for thousands of years just without the mumbo jumbo rubbish thrown in and perpetuated by people like your good self for the sole purpose of mystifying what is in fact a very simple and inherently natural activity.]


Please tell us who teaches you? Which style? Which sifu , What level he have attain? and you have attain?


Btw, there is no mystifying in my YouTube,

just :

stand loose, while exhale shift weight.
The rest let the body response naturally.


Take at look at your stuffs in the following and compare ,

oh my god, hold chest still, pulling diagphragm down.......ect
You just as well play God to try to control everything.




(Originally Posted by wingchunIan

To correctly perform abdominal breathing simply hold your chest still (you can put your hands on it to check if it is moving to begin with) and draw air into the lungs by pulling the diagphragm down into the abdominal region.

To exhale simply let go of the diagphragm and allow it to return to its original position. Over time you can increase the volume of air drawn in. Once comfortable with drawing air into the abdomen and allowing it to expand forwards you can begin to explore allowing it to expand backwards as well but this takes time.

There is no clenching required of anything and no rocking of ........)

Hendrick I was going to quote what you posted previously but its much more concise to sum it up with "blah blah blah"

For someone who claims to have researched the chinese arts and internal martial arts in general you really do seem to have missed quite a great deal.

There is a very old concept - the mind leads the breath that you seem to be oblivious to (at a more advanced level this can mean many other things but at a basic level it applies to exactly this).

Eventually with practice like all things control of abdominal breathing can pass from the concious to the subconcious at which point it will appear to happen without the need to think about it but to begin with it needs to be trained especially if one has already developed the habit of breathing into the chest.

To say the mind doesn't know the body is complete and utter nonsense - total tripe.

The mind at either concious or subconcious level controls everything the body does and therefore knows it very well indeed. The reason for building up the depth of breath over time is to ensure that you don't force things and defeat the object of being relaxed, soft and supple which in taoist terms is the essence of youthfulness and longevity. As for causing yourself to suffocate or giving yourself high blood pressure please you really do need to get out more and stop believing what you see on youtube. Try suffocating yourself by holding your breath, really do try it - it is impossible because the subconcious will not allow it to happen no matter how hard the concious mind tries.

As far as posture is concerned it has nothing whatsoever to do with abdominal breathing which can be practised during any moment and in any position. Posture in regards to internal practise is a separate issue useful for many things including removing inhibitions from the meridians and aligning the energy gates of the body etc

What I have described is exactly what the chinese have been practising for thousands of years just without the mumbo jumbo rubbish thrown in and perpetuated by people like your good self for the sole purpose of mystifying what is in fact a very simple and inherently natural activity.

[lkfmdc]

Breathing is a serious and indepth issue.
Unless one has experience one don't know.

does anyone here not have experience breathing

I never realized we had fish on here posting regularly

[hulkout]

Proper breathing is important, but if you think about too many details you'll kill it. It's simply a matter of learning to breath deeply from the abdomen and not the chest. If you are properly in your Yee Gee Kim Yeung Ma stance and your tongue is gently touching the roof of your mouth, it's kind of hard to not breath properly. All the guy in the video had to say was that. Don't over complicate things.

[poulperadieux]

"Inhaling is yin, energy enters the body, exhaling is yang, energy is spread, thorough the body. 230 BC the Empror Chin Shih Huang Ti was already saying : " To breathe is to live, To breathe badly is to live badly. To breathe a little is to live a little, one should cultivate the body and the spirit in order to obtain a real breath."

[Hendrik]

Tongue to the roof is helping the breath easier and deeper.
However, that is not a preplacement for the lower abs phyicsl motion naturally develop which is the true lower abs breathing, instead of just a deeper breathing. Lots of people do misunderstand.


True, one must not think about it .
As I mention above
The process I present in the utube
Don't even need to think much, Just Standing loose, shift weight slightly while exhale.

Proper breathing is important, but if you think about too many details you'll kill it. It's simply a matter of learning to breath deeply from the abdomen and not the chest. If you are properly in your Yee Gee Kim Yeung Ma stance and your tongue is gently touching the roof of your mouth, it's kind of hard to not breath properly.

All the guy in the video had to say was that. Don't over complicate things.

[Hendrik]

Theory in Chinese is called kung li. The process is called Kung fa.

Without kung Fa one cannot get into the state disregards how one think theory.

"Inhaling is yin, energy enters the body, exhaling is yang, energy is spread, thorough the body. 230 BC the Empror Chin Shih Huang Ti was already saying : " To breathe is to live, To breathe badly is to live badly. To breathe a little is to live a little, one should cultivate the body and the spirit in order to obtain a real breath."

[Ali. R]

The Lower Dantian is regarded as the center of physical strength and source of stamina, which is consider to be a major storage area for all types of kidney energies, and is closely connected or linked to our prenatal energies and develops the foundation for all types of Yang energies in the body and Yin, Jing, Qi energies as well.

While developing the Lower Dantian and understanding its functions one will start to gather energy from the earth. The”Lower Dantian” is a part of the first level of Wei Qi (protective Qi) that circulates outside of the body’s tissue, and as the Lower Dantian develops through mental intervention/lower abs breathing, the protective Qi becomes stronger or thicker.

[LaRoux]

Lower abs breathing makes about as much sense as knee breathing.