Wing chun kuen What happen in 1855

[Hendrik]

A very nice story, thank you. Is there any evidence to support the details as they relate to Wing Chun history?

Sure, it is based on Chinese history facts and evidence.

There will be an article in the new martial hero hong kong magazine which present these in details from different source of the history.

From the chinese history side, the triad side, the qing side, the WCK lineages side, the technical signature side....etc . These data support the above WCK story.


These result of the research is make public to promote more research into it. We might not know the exact but we know the ball park because we do have access to critical keys elements of 1855.


Let the evidence speaks. The more wcners research the better. I am just one of wcner.

[Hendrik]

Lee man mau's order in writing

http://www.fotoe.com/image/10943052

[Hendrik]

Sword of the small knive society Shang hai , the ally of lee man mau of 1854 uprising. They all hung mun members same with yik kam.

http://www.google.com/search?q=點春堂+小...Aul1xQ4ipVM%3A



Point spring hall of Shang hai , the head quarter of the small knive society.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%26%2...ipJKBxq880M%3A



Spring means opera.

One can read about this connection in here
http://www.wingchunpedia.org/pmwiki/...ByHendrikSanto


Next time you are in Shang hai go there and take some photo with the knive of 1855 era exhibit

[JPinAZ]

So basically, what you did was take a bunch of stories you read on the internet (many of which are unverifiable), put them together as what you think may have happened? And now an article is coming out which will prove it all eh? What an a55-clown.

What is most rediculous is your ide of WCK and CLF 'coming together' to do anything. You make it sound like there was a big gang of WCK people coming together with another gang of CLF people. What is this, west side story? Very interesting story, but that's all it is - your made up his-story to try in vain, yet again, to pass off this one-set theory of yours. You have no evidence of any of this.
Nice try but I think I'd rather read Dr. Suess.

[Hendrik]

Believe what you like.

Facts always leave a track to be traced.

So basically, what you did was take a bunch of stories you read on the internet (many of which are unverifiable), put them together as what you think may have happened? And now an article is coming out which will prove it all eh? What an a55-clown.

What is most rediculous is your ide of WCK and CLF 'coming together' to do anything. You make it sound like there was a big gang of WCK people coming together with another gang of CLF people. What is this, west side story? Very interesting story, but that's all it is - your made up his-story to try in vain, yet again, to pass off this one-set theory of yours. You have no evidence of any of this.
Nice try but I think I'd rather read Dr. Suess.

[GlennR]

Believe what you like.

Facts always leave a track to be traced.

Facts????

You wouldnt know the meaning of the word

[Hendrik]

Looking at what happen in the 1855,

Tan sau Ng doesnt play a role on the creation of the three sets .nor him is the creator of WCK as Pan nAm suggest, ip Chun endorse , and many support after that. A popular belive in the 1990,

If Tan sau Ng is the creator of wing Chun then what he teachers should be the one set system. Instead of the three sets system. Because the three sets system exist only hundreds of years after his time.

Also, as we already know today on the characteristics of siu nim tau in the red boat era 1850 is infact snake body crane limbs, which is still having a good picture in today's WCK across lineages as in yks , Ipman...etc. , Tan sau Ng had to Atleast practice the Fujian white crane and emei 12 zhuang to be the creator of the siu Lin tau. No shao Lin temple in chinese history has these two types of tehnology for the creation.


Thus, with these evidences and fact, we know Tan Sau Ng from shao lin of the northen china is extremely not likely to relate to wing Chun kuen of the red boat even he has big role in the red boat opera .

What is important to know is WCK is very closely related to kulo because the Leong family and the Wong wah poh, leong jan family relative relationship . These people are relative .

Yik kam learn WCK due to he is an opera player and hung mun, which is close to leong family member particular Leong LAN Kwai who is the dai siheng if not the assistance sifu at that era.

Thus, wing Chun kuen history is a great history with big back ground of chinese history , but it is not related to shaolin instead in the eyes of the uprising cyclone playing a significant role.


There is no myth, magic, but real blood and sweat which supporting an uprising era 1855.

The shadow of the swords in the uprising, the reflection of the water in the river of the red boat, the 1855 passed but not forgotten. The story of wing Chun kuen. A love before time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGm15iuNVQ

[Hendrik]

If the sky opened up for me,
And the mountain disappeared,
If the seas ran dry, turned to dust
And the sun refused to rise
I would still find my way,
By the light I see in your eyes
The world I know fades away
But you stay



If the years take away
Every memory that I have
I would still know the way
That would lead me back to your side
The north star may die
But the light that I see in your eyes
Will burn there always




The history of wing chun kuen.

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1218442]Looking at what happen in the 1855,

Tan sau Ng doesnt play a role on the creation of the three sets .nor him is the creator of WCK as Pan nAm suggest, ip Chun endorse , and many support after that. A popular belive in the 1990,
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Neither Pan Nam or Ip Chun are historians.

Pan Nam tried to fuse what little wing chun he knew with hung ga in the stancing.
When Ip Chun talks about Ip Man as a father, I listen.. when he talks of wing chun history I basically tune out.
I have worked out with a kung fu "grandson" of Pan nam Ip Chun had little interest in wing chun till he came to HK in 1962... when Ip Man was winding up his teaching.

[GlennR]

Sword of the small knive society Shang hai , the ally of lee man mau of 1854 uprising. They all hung mun members same with yik kam.

http://www.google.com/search?q=點春堂+小...Aul1xQ4ipVM%3A



Point spring hall of Shang hai , the head quarter of the small knive society.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%26%2...ipJKBxq880M%3A



Spring means opera.

One can read about this connection in here
http://www.wingchunpedia.org/pmwiki/...ByHendrikSanto


Next time you are in Shang hai go there and take some photo with the knive of 1855 era exhibit

More "scientific research".......

Its not.

Never was.

And never will be.

Its you grasping at straws trying to find evidence to make you theories fit.