Regarding our recent kerfuffle

[rett]

Gene, I have a question regarding confidentiality in general on this forum. Not related to the specific incidents you reference in this thread.

Is it policy and practice to divulge IP addresses and identities of posters to others without legal intervention?

Regardless of what Gene answers, I believe it safest and most ethically defensible to always post as if your real name, address, and telephone number were attached to the post. Even if your handle is anonymous. YMMV.

(an exception would be if we were rebels fighting an evil empire, but are we?)

[Scott R. Brown]

Sometimes 1000 words is much better than a picture though.

But nothing is better than gifs.

Word!

What is the difference between a Kurfuffle, and a Kurfluffle?

Is it like the difference between Kempo, and Kenpo?

A Kerfluffle is what you get just before your BIG Scene!

Which usually has a Happy Ending!

(an exception would be if we were rebels fighting an evil empire, but are we?)

I AM!!

[Flusher]

Regardless of what Gene answers, I believe it safest and most ethically defensible to always post as if your real name, address, and telephone number were attached to the post. Even if your handle is anonymous. YMMV.

Is that why you do it?

Regardless, does the choice to remain anonymous nullify privacy rights, *without* legal intervention? I am talking a subpoena here, not just a letter or phone call from a lawyer.

Now, nobody's SSID is listed here, but it would be a crime to reveal any if they were. The implied privacy upon signing up here would bind identity to that, as well.

[Scott R. Brown]

A person who is concerned their ssid might be revealed should instead be sure they aren't saying anything that would cause it to be known.

It is pretty pi$$ ant to think you can say whatever you want with zero consequences.

If you are afraid of consequences then moderate your behavior appropriately.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Is that why you do it?

Regardless, does the choice to remain anonymous nullify privacy rights, *without* legal intervention? I am talking a subpoena here, not just a letter or phone call from a lawyer.

Now, nobody's SSID is listed here, but it would be a crime to reveal any if they were. The implied privacy upon signing up here would bind identity to that, as well.

Many forum systems post the IP with each post. so I really don't think there is a law against it.

When I had my forum, I did that to keep the rif raf out. It worked for the most part, except for the resident, pre approved riff raf, anyway.

[Flusher]

A person who is concerned their ssid might be revealed should instead be sure they aren't saying anything that would cause it to be known.

It is pretty pi$$ ant to think you can say whatever you want with zero consequences.

If you are afraid of consequences then moderate your behavior appropriately.

That *sounds* fair enough, sure. But it begs the question, are ALL misbehavers handled the same way?

[Scott R. Brown]

That *sounds* fair enough, sure. But it begs the question, are ALL misbehavers handled the same way?

No. Gene has made it clear. They handle it in a very professional manner. It starts small with a pm and a request to watch your conduct and can involve deletion of inappropriate posts. If the person is non-responsive the actions can increase to temporary banning.

The mods are able to track ssid's for those who just try to change names and come back. It has occurred in the past, but not often to my knowledge.

It would take Gene or a mod to explain it in more detail. This is the best of my knowledge of it.

[Flusher]

No. Gene has made it clear. They handle it in a very professional manner. It starts small with a pm and a request to watch your conduct and can involve deletion of inappropriate posts. If the person is non-responsive the actions can increase to temporary banning.

The mods are able to track ssid's for those who just try to change names and come back. It has occurred in the past, but not often to my knowledge.

It would take Gene or a mod to explain it in more detail. This is the best of my knowledge of it.

I am aware of at least one incident on this board where ssid/i.p. and "cross" accounts were revealed to another member without the owner of the cross accounts being warned, or even notified. There was no subpoena in the matter, either. Doesn't seem professional to me.

[Scott R. Brown]

I am aware of at least one incident on this board where ssid/i.p. and "cross" accounts were revealed to another member without the owner of the cross accounts being warned, or even notified. There was no subpoena in the matter, either. Doesn't seem professional to me.

I guess the question then is, who told you, is their information accurate, why were they told, and was this performed within or outside the bounds of the authority of the person who gave up the information?

I am aware of mods mentioning, from time to time, that one pseudonym's post has come from the same address as another's, but I have never seen an address publicly posted.

[Syn7]

If it matters so much to ya, just use a proxy server. Easy. Not foolproof, but mos def idiot proof.

[David Jamieson]

If it matters so much to ya, just use a proxy server. Easy. Not foolproof, but mos def idiot proof.

Not exactly that secure these days. I mean, it's like shoplifting with a really big coat, people know who you are and they know your coat is all lumpy and bigger than when you walked into the store.

Your original underlying IP address is still l inked to your internal address and nowadays, IP v6 simply binds your mac address as well. So proxy services only save you from your mom discovering your porn stash. Your ISP knows when you used it and when you stopped using it. Correlation follows if there is suspicion.

Web 2.0 eliminates any actual privacy. You gotta go deeper for high level sneak skills on the net these days.

[Scott R. Brown]

Geez....that's scary! I hope no one figures out who I really am!

[wenshu]

Your original underlying IP address is still l inked to your internal address and nowadays, IP v6 simply binds your mac address as well. So proxy services only save you from your mom discovering your porn stash. Your ISP knows when you used it and when you stopped using it.

You've got it backwards. Mom can still find your porn. All your isp sees is that you visited a proxy server. They don't know shit about where you went after that. If you use TOR it is an encrypted connection. I can't find the case, but I believe there was a recent failure to prosecute someone for distribution of illegal pron because they had used TOR.

While there are ways for others to snoop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-in-the-middle_attack, https://blog.torproject.org/blog/one-cell-enough it's nothing like what you describe in your projectile word soup vomit.

MAC Address resolution isn't new for IPv6. IPv6 just uses NDP vs. ARP for IPv4; it's part of the IP spec. Nonetheless, MAC Addresses can be spoofed just as easily as IP addresses.

Correlation follows if there is suspicion.

Another meaningless, impotent attempt at an aphorism for the Book of Jamiesonisms.

Web 2.0 eliminates any actual privacy. You gotta go deeper for high level sneak skills on the net these days.

Web 2.0? What is this 1999? Saying IPv6 is "Web 2.0" is like saying AJAX is Android.

[bawang]

Regardless of what Gene answers, I believe it safest and most ethically defensible to always post as if your real name, address, and telephone number were attached to the post. Even if your handle is anonymous. YMMV.

my name steve. steve johnson.


*rubs testicles

[Syn7]

Not exactly that secure these days. I mean, it's like shoplifting with a really big coat, people know who you are and they know your coat is all lumpy and bigger than when you walked into the store.

Your original underlying IP address is still l inked to your internal address and nowadays, IP v6 simply binds your mac address as well. So proxy services only save you from your mom discovering your porn stash. Your ISP knows when you used it and when you stopped using it. Correlation follows if there is suspicion.

Web 2.0 eliminates any actual privacy. You gotta go deeper for high level sneak skills on the net these days.

Like I said, not foolproof, but it will keep most at bay. Of course, if you are breaking the law, it's nowhere near enough. Never was really. It may help save you from prosecution, but they will still find out who and/or where you are.

There are a few good ways to stay anonymous. The easiest being starbucks and a clean laptop. But a proxy server should be enough to keep KFM from passing around your IP, which was the whole point of my statement. You wanna orchestrate cyber attacks on the pentagon, you need to be a lil smarter about it. But then KFM mods aren't the pentagon.