Gaun sau

[BPWT]

well, I don't know and cannot speak to who/what in private lessons...
I am not familiar with PB, nor Leung Ting.

Many, many moons ago I was getting fabulously drunk with a guy from Yip Chun's lineage, who said that Yip Chun had no recollection of his father giving private lessons to Leung Ting, and that LT's accounts of those lessons sounded false (the format of teaching).

A few years back Duncan Leung talked about his private lessons with Yip Man - saying that lessons were a few times a week, consisted of one hour of direct instruction, followed by Yip Man then hanging around for another hour or so to smoke and drink tea while correcting (verbally) the forms, dummy work, weapons work Duncan Leung was practicing while Yip Man watched. He also spoke of regularly meeting Yip Man for tea and dim sum - occasions when Yip Man would talk about Wing Chun (history, theories, general stories, etc)..... exactly the lesson and learning format that Leung Ting had also been talking about for years.

Regarding PB, all you really need to know is that:

a) he looks very skilled
b) he takes his training very seriously, by all accounts
c) some of his students have been brainwashed and would drink goat's blood if he gave it to them

[Grumblegeezer]

Personally, I'm not out to get involved in another lineage bashing session. I'd love having a chance to meet and learn from PB and other such highly skilled WC men. And I'm not a brain-washed follower of any cult. I've met those kinds of people, mindlessly following their sifus, including some of the WT crowd. That's not for me.

@Kevin, sorry you think I'm dreaming when I asked that question. I don't see what the big deal is. A lot of lineages use slightly different techniques. A simple "no" would have sufficed.

@Hybridwarrior, is the guat/gwat-sau that you learned in Duncan Leung's WC the same of similar to what I described, and is it also present in the SNT form?

[k gledhill]

Personally, I'm not out to get involved in another lineage bashing session. I'd love having a chance to meet and learn from PB and other such highly skilled WC men. And I'm not a brain-washed follower of any cult. I've met those kinds of people, mindlessly following their sifus, including some of the WT crowd. That's not for me.

@Kevin, sorry you think I'm dreaming when I asked that question. I don't see what the big deal is. A lot of lineages use slightly different techniques. A simple "no" would have sufficed.

@Hybridwarrior, is the guat/gwat-sau that you learned in Duncan Leung's WC the same of similar to what I described, and is it also present in the SNT form?

No problem many are confused by the same things. I also was unaware and refered to the opening arm actions as x tan or high & low gaan sao. I was wrong, now I understand the meaning. What you are referring to in the 3 rd section of slt is gaan sao a cutting action , tan gaan tan, hit cut down hit ...

[Happy Tiger]

Many, many moons ago I was getting fabulously drunk with a guy from Yip Chun's lineage, who said that Yip Chun had no recollection of his father giving private lessons to Leung Ting, and that LT's accounts of those lessons sounded false (the format of teaching).

A few years back Duncan Leung talked about his private lessons with Yip Man - saying that lessons were a few times a week, consisted of one hour of direct instruction, followed by Yip Man then hanging around for another hour or so to smoke and drink tea while correcting (verbally) the forms, dummy work, weapons work Duncan Leung was practicing while Yip Man watched. He also spoke of regularly meeting Yip Man for tea and dim sum - occasions when Yip Man would talk about Wing Chun (history, theories, general stories, etc)..... exactly the lesson and learning format that Leung Ting had also been talking about for years.

Regarding PB, all you really need to know is that:

a) he looks very skilled
b) he takes his training very seriously, by all accounts
c) some of his students have been brainwashed and would drink goat's blood if he gave it to them

I dont know to what extent but I know for sure master Leung Ting had direct instruction from gm Ip Man. I have seen photos of the two plainly in session together.Leung Ting was at one time on the directors board of the VTAA even after the "head of clan scandal."

[Graham H]

c) some of his students have been brainwashed and would drink goat's blood if he gave it to them

Yes I think that all the other lineages I have been part or experienced had less tasty goats blood. I was worried with the LT guys though. They not only drink goats blood but they also f***ed the goats

[BPWT]

Indeed. The private lessons allegedly caused a stir as it was done without LT asking Leung Sheung's permission - and so was seen as generation jumping.

The MA Hero interview with YM mentioned LT was a closed door student... and when published Yip Man had no problem with the print - no correction or retraction asked for.

YM attended LT's WT events, was a guest at LT's wedding, etc. There was clearly a relationship there.

[k gledhill]

Private lessons mean little if you don't understand certain concepts.

[BPWT]

Private lessons mean little if you don't understand certain concepts.

Sure - but LT is smart enough to have asked about these concepts. On more than one occasion he's highlighted the importance of the tea and dim sum meetings with Yip Man. The theory to the applications worked out in their chi sao training.

[k gledhill]

Sure - but LT is smart enough to have asked about these concepts. On more than one occasion he's highlighted the importance of the tea and dim sum meetings with Yip Man. The theory to the applications worked out in their chi sao training.

Your assuming if one eats dim sum and has tea with yip man While asking questions one will see clearly. As mentioned there are no guarantees of understanding.

[Vajramusti]

Your assuming if one eats dim sum and has tea with yip man While asking questions one will see clearly. As mentioned there are no guarantees of understanding.

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One well known wing chun/VT sifu claimed that he was taught pole/kwan usage with a chop stick
at a dim sum time in a restaurant!!!

[Graham H]

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One well known wing chun/VT sifu claimed that he was taught pole/kwan usage with a chop stick
at a dim sum time in a restaurant!!!

That's not hard to believe. It's easy to explain the thinking behind pole fighting strategies using two chop sticks.

[rogerlee36]

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One well known wing chun/VT sifu claimed that he was taught pole/kwan usage with a chop stick
at a dim sum time in a restaurant!!!

My first taichi teacher taught ideas about gim this way, not substitution for real thing but gives idea.