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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    it's not random that he didn't turn. There are two waysi know to get that effect.

    - hide your footwork by attacking his face.

    - move in as he attacks.

    Both of those two situations prevent him from turning.
    Distraction is always a good strategy. You can also set him up so "he can't turn".

    If you pull your opponent's leading arm "downward", it will force him to put weight on his front leg. When you pull, you also step your back foot to where you want it to be. The moment he tries to shift weight to his back foot so he can turn, the moment that you move in.

    This strategy also has another advantage. If your opponent borrows your pulling force and shoulder strike at you, since you have moved your back foot side way, you are no longer in your original position, you have just lead him into the emptiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    it's not random that he didn't turn. There are two waysi know to get that effect.

    - hide your footwork by attacking his face.

    - move in as he attacks.

    Both of those two situations prevent him from turning.
    And use both at the same time to overhelm and dominate.

    That is the spirit we want when our students attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Distraction is always a good strategy. You can also set him up so "he can't turn".

    If you pull your opponent's leading arm "downward", it will force him to put weight on his front leg. When you pull, you also step your back foot to where you want it to be. The moment he tries to shift weight to his back foot, the moment that you move in.
    Psychological control is easier than physical control. Good for when we are lazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post
    back door is better than side door is better than front door.
    Agree!

    In

    - front door, you have to deal with both of your opponent's arms.
    - side door, you only have to deal with one of your opponent's arms.
    - back door, you don't have to deal with any of your opponent's arms.

    Since your opponent's arms can't bend backward, he will have no arms to deal with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    Psychological control is easier than physical control. Good for when we are lazy
    The reason that I like to pull my opponent's leading arm is not because "I am not lazy" and have too much energy to spend. It's because "I'm lazy" and try to use as less energy as possible. I have to "give" before I can "take". If I pull my opponent's body into me, the counter force can pull my body into him. This will make my "single leg" much faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omarthefish View Post

    back door is better than side door is better than front door.
    this is the rule for sex also
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    There is no hard and fast rule, but you should be ready to get mobile and while mobile, you should be able to move where you need to be.

    whether you do that in a circle or off a straight line is up to you in context to what is going on.

    train to be and remain mobile.

    I personally find "straight line only" or "stand and be a stump" to be hallmarks of poor tactical knowledge. It's in your best interest to get into being not there for your opponent.
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKM View Post
    In your training, do you have both an offensive inside circle and an outside defensive circle?
    Not sure your definition of "offensive inside circle" and "outside defensive circle". As shown in this picture:

    http://imageshack.us/a/img864/8041/circlerunningr.jpg

    If you have

    - right leg forward, you always move to your left.
    - left leg forward, you always move to your right.

    The reason is simple. If you move the other direction, you will "cross your legs". You may say that you can move your leading leg first. This also violate the "always move your back leg first" principle.

    When you have right leg forward and if your opponent

    - also has right leg forward, you will move into his right side door.
    - has left leg forward, you will move into his front door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    There is no hard and fast rule,
    The rule is to "reduce your risk to the minimum". Of course if you deal with a beginer who can't recognize your risk, it won't make any difference. But we can't always make such assumption.

    For example, when you "cross your legs", if your opponent doesn't know "foot sweep", you will be safe.

    In Chinese wrestling, it's OK to lose if your opponent has higher skill level than you have. It's not OK to lose because you make a stupid mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    In Chinese wrestling, it's OK to lose if your opponent has higher skill level than you have. It's not OK to lose because you make a stupid mistake.
    That's true in all sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    this is the rule for sex also
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCuTEmJ4fY

    Anyways, I was posting from my cell phone so trying to keep it short. Just responding to YKW's comment that I could have taken him on the first step rather than going to extra mile to get from side door to rear door.

    Funny thing is, I didn't even do anything once I got there. I had an instinct to jump rear guard and throw on an RNC but it wasn't that kind of tourny. Then I had a brief flash of trying a suplex but a: I haven't really trained those much lol and b: we were told no high amplitude throws. We could sweep or throw but no dumping anyone on their head.

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