Yuen Kay San - and pole work

[BPWT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0zlxErkepw

Just found this clip of Yuen Kay San Wing Chun - at 1:01 there is some partnered pole work.

Does anyone know if this 'shorter' pole is the common pole in YKS Wing Chun? Does anyone here (on the forum), practice with a pole this length?

[LoneTiger108]

Does anyone here (on the forum), practice with a pole this length?

I can not talk on behalf of the YKS lineage and I'm not sure if Sifu Yun Hoi reads or posts here either, BUT I can say with confidence that:

1. This is not considered fme to be 'pole' training... it is 'stick/cudgel' GWUN training

2. Yes. I practise with sticks this length, and poles much longer too.

3. I consider it common basic foundation weaponry training in my lineage.

4. And yes, for me this is Wing Chun, albeit from before Ip Mans HK era.

5. FWIW the partner work shown are not 'interactions' per-say they are loosely applied applications.

An example I hear you ask?

http://youtu.be/k7q4HzXEaeU

[BPWT]

I can not talk on behalf of the YKS lineage and I'm not sure if Sifu Yun Hoi reads or posts here either, BUT I can say with confidence that:

1. This is not considered fme to be 'pole' training... it is 'stick/cudgel' GWUN training

2. Yes. I practise with sticks this length, and poles much longer too.

3. I consider it common basic foundation weaponry training in my lineage.

4. And yes, for me this is Wing Chun, albeit from before Ip Mans HK era.

5. FWIW the partner work shown are not 'interactions' per-say they are loosely applied applications.

An example I hear you ask?

http://youtu.be/k7q4HzXEaeU

Thanks for the feedback.

Regarding the youtube link... I am not sure what that was Practice for a demo? The pole use looked different to what I have seen elsewhere. But thanks for posting.

[Yoshiyahu]

Thanks for the feedback.

Regarding the youtube link... I am not sure what that was Practice for a demo? The pole use looked different to what I have seen elsewhere. But thanks for posting.

i cant pull up the youtube video yet...so i havent had a chance to see it!!!

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for the feedback.

Regarding the youtube link... I am not sure what that was Practice for a demo? The pole use looked different to what I have seen elsewhere. But thanks for posting.

My link was just an example of Wing Chun stick work that is not very common at all, actually I have yet to see anything like it outside my Sifus gwoon which leaves it in the open for the guys who like to take the pi$$ (as you can see from some of the comments on the page)

You have to take into account that my Sifu learnt this stuff back in the 60s when my Sigung Lee Shing was not bound by any agreement with Ip Man about what he could and couldn't teach. My sigung was in Wing Chun for quite a time before he met Ip Man and had been exposed to some of the best weaponry dudes of the time, so even though this practise may not be common at all in Wing Chun, it IS Wing Chun!! And I do see similarities to some of the peers of Ip Man like Yuen Kay Shans pole plays and quite a few of the older persuasions of our art.

It wasn't practising for a demo either, this was just common practise, giving every student a part to play whether they had just picked up a stick or only learnt how to turn a flag. The rattan ring and knife in the centre is pretty basic, yet very specialized and connected to all the knife I have seen to this day... but people seem to not be able to see it which brings in the question 'does anyone really have the knife'? And I mean, beyond the simple actions of the Form perpetuated by Ip Mans students?

Interactive practise is supposed to be the specialist knowledge within Wing Chun, it's where common training like 'Chisau' comes from and if you do not spend as much time with your weaponry interactions you are still only doing loose applications based on one or two step sparring methods. And this will go out the window whenever there is any real pressure applied or God forbid more than one person attacks you at the same time.

Of course, others will have their ways...