Ghosts and other Paranormalities

[Snipsky]

I think this is real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIw-wfXp5Vw

[Snipsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4jFBMdjsEU

[hskwarrior]

LOL

this one is kinda freaky. you can pause play pause play and she is transparent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ncI4zBG0nc

[David Jamieson]

Ghosts? Bwahahahaha!

hey, did you know that if you say "Orange" very slowly, it sounds just like "gullible".

[Syn7]

I spent all morning saying it at diff speeds and I still can't hear gullible

[David Jamieson]

Two razors can be applied to the stubble of these topics.

One: Hitchen's razor - That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

and

Two: Occam's razor - Plurality should not be posited without necessity.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Two razors can be applied to the stubble of these topics.

One: Hitchen's razor - That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

and

Two: Occam's razor - Plurality should not be posited without necessity.

Hitchen's razor?
Seriously?
If you are gonna dismiss something without evidence you better have a very concrete definition of "evidence".
Especially when you are dealing with "intangibles".

[David Jamieson]

Hitchen's razor?
Seriously?
If you are gonna dismiss something without evidence you better have a very concrete definition of "evidence".
Especially when you are dealing with "intangibles".

what can be asserted without evidence? If it's reality, very little. the key word is not "evidence" but "assertion" and specifically, "assertion" without any evidence.

So, the self explanatory is given a pass IE: ground is down, sky is up, sun is a flaming ball of gas and elements, space is void etc and logic can be asserted as it has evidence to the reality of it and the application of it thanks to Bertrand Russell actually proving through logic that 1+1=2. Yes, he proved it.

"Belief" does not constitute reality in any way shape or form. So believing in ghosts is not enough to assert that they are real.

The same is true of anything that one can consider in that framework.

[MightyB]

With what I know about After Effects and editing, it's hard to take anything seriously that's been "caught on tape". The hotel one was entertaining at least.

[sanjuro_ronin]

what can be asserted without evidence? If it's reality, very little. the key word is not "evidence" but "assertion" and specifically, "assertion" without any evidence.

So, the self explanatory is given a pass IE: ground is down, sky is up, sun is a flaming ball of gas and elements, space is void etc and logic can be asserted as it has evidence to the reality of it and the application of it thanks to Bertrand Russell actually proving through logic that 1+1=2. Yes, he proved it.

"Belief" does not constitute reality in any way shape or form. So believing in ghosts is not enough to assert that they are real.

The same is true of anything that one can consider in that framework.

That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that the assertion may still be correct and we have dismissed based on a perceive bias that comes from an "incomplete understanding" of what we call "reality".


The wright brothers asserted that man could fly and up until the day they did, that asserted that without any evidence and , according to the "Hitchens razor", they are to be dismissed without any need for evidence to dismiss them.
Which many did, to which they were ALL proved wrong.

My point is to dismiss any assertion based on the fact that it lacks or has no evidence should ONLY be applied to things that CAN be evidenced.
Those things that can't be "evidenced"should NOT be dismissed per say BUT we should keep a very healthy sense of "doubt".

I think that the only time we can make "absolute" judgment calls such is outright dismissals is when something has been proven to be "not so" OR when we have a complete and full-proof understanding of how ALL the universe works.

[Jimbo]

I've seen, and met, a number of apparently rational people, in a couple of cases police officers, who believed in God and everything in the Bible literally, word for word, yet completely disbelieved in "ghosts/spirits, ESP/precognition, and all that 'weird stuff'." Which, if you think about it, doesn't make the least bit of sense.

Healthy skepticism is a necessity in life, while keeping one's mind open to possibilities outside of our current understanding. However, irrational skepticism (actually, cynicism) is every bit as bad as total gullibility.

[David Jamieson]

That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that the assertion may still be correct and we have dismissed based on a perceive bias that comes from an "incomplete understanding" of what we call "reality".


The wright brothers asserted that man could fly and up until the day they did, that asserted that without any evidence and , according to the "Hitchens razor", they are to be dismissed without any need for evidence to dismiss them.
Which many did, to which they were ALL proved wrong.

My point is to dismiss any assertion based on the fact that it lacks or has no evidence should ONLY be applied to things that CAN be evidenced.
Those things that can't be "evidenced"should NOT be dismissed per say BUT we should keep a very healthy sense of "doubt".

I think that the only time we can make "absolute" judgment calls such is outright dismissals is when something has been proven to be "not so" OR when we have a complete and full-proof understanding of how ALL the universe works.

I think you are off base on the Wright brothers. They believed it possible for Man to fly and asserted that and then went on to evidence it by showing it through application. It was not a new thing by the Time the Wright brothers got hold of it. Leonardo fashioned a workable hang glider after all. Powered flight is where the Wright brothers made the departure.

What is it that cannot be evidenced that can be asserted? Not much really.
And if it is asserted without evidence, it can be dismissed in the same manner. It is that simple. It is really as simple as, if there is no proof, then come back when you have some and your assertion will be considered.

If someone asserts the existence of a deity, I would refute that as a belief. I believe it, but I can't evidence it. I can't evidence mine or anyone else's god at all. But I don't assert it to anyone that mine is real etc. I can only assert that I believe.

I am completely okay with the statement because it mete's out factually and actually. And whether an individual lacks the evidence is different from whether or not there actually is any at all.

[Syn7]

Ugh, believing something w/o any actual reason based in reality is just silly. Asserting it is just that. It means nothing w/o evidence. I can assert lots of dumb shit, doesn't give it any validity simply because there are unknowns in the universe. Rational people believe in probabilities, not absolutes.

Things that cannot be evidenced should be put aside. There is no point in participating in such monumental conjecture like that. All it does is create division and confusion. It's selfish. That kind of thinking holds us back. There is nothing wrong with hypothesizing, but when you cross over to conclusion w/o any actual reason rooted in reality, you are just talking shit.

You can believe anything you want, but don't assert it as a reality w/o evidence. And please please please stop arguing from ignorance. Just say you believe and leave it at that. Go find some evidence if you wanna have a real conversation about the legitimacy of the idea. Real evidence, that is. Not unsourced pics and vids with zero context and no controls. They mean nothing w/o the controls.

[Lucas]

I witnessed a paranormal activity one time. i was with my girlfriend (we were teenagers) while she was babysitting her little baby neice. we went and put her to bed and then went to watch tv to wait for her parents to come home. after a while the baby started screaming and crying really bad. when we went into the room the baby was in a dresser drawer pulled out and laying in all the clothes freaking out. i saw the baby go in the crib, and we both left the room and both went back in together, we were the only people in that house. my girl made me go everywhere with here because it was a huge old dark house and she was scared of it. after that night she wouldnt go back there.

[pazman]

Pretty sure it's real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjmcFxOe4w