Living in a material world

[wenshu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

[Syn7]

I got that. Was in response to DJ's usb 3.0 comment. Pretty sure the last gen 512's were only 2.0.

I think I'll be ok with my lil 2TB WD. It's small enough for my needs.

[Syn7]

Has anybody used disconnect? If so, what think?

[David Jamieson]

I swear I read that it was usb 3.0, backward compatible w/ 2.0 w/ a transfer rate of something like 240/160mb....

And it's pretty expensive.

It is USB 3.0

Who in their right mind would make a USB 1 device? lol

"Hey bob, I know a great way to start a pre-failed electronics business!"

[Scott R. Brown]

It is USB 3.0

Who in their right mind would make a USB 1 device? lol

"Hey bob, I know a great way to start a pre-failed electronics business!"

If you want your business to fail, all you have to do is get a grant from the Obama administration.

He only gives money to toilet bowls!

[Syn7]

If you want your business to fail, all you have to do is get a grant from the Obama administration.

He only gives money to toilet bowls!

Yeah that's why the Tesla car company is paying off the loan way ahead of schedule.

Come on guys, I'm no Obama fan, but you can only dick ride the Solyndra failure for so long. And for the record, Solyndra made GREAT products. But between the head in ass syndrome over here and the cheap crap out of China, they didn't stand much of a chance at being judged on the actual work and their contributions to that particular industry.

If you wanna go there, you need to use the averages within each sector. This administration has a good record in that respect. More success than failure, by far. They can't take credit for all the good and bad, but they can take credit for some. And when it comes to gov loans, they have done pretty well. Nothing compared to the absolute disaster that was the previous administration. I love how the GOP just pretends that never happened. Or just blame it all on 9/11. The best tho is when they say "GW Bush kept us safe." Ummmm.... not counting 9/11, maybe... One could argue that by taking too much aggressive action in various areas that administration increased tensions and created an atmosphere that fostered more hate in the local pop than would have had they done nothing at all. I understand afghanistan, iraq was a joke from day one, and let's not even get into all the mini proxies all over africa. A legacy that obamas admin seems to be ok with. Obama is ok socially... economically he is a corporate whore and his foreign affairs work is freakin ABOMINABLE. CRIMINAL even. But before the reps chime in with the "yeah!", remember that the last admin and any of the frontrunners would be/were/are just as bad or worse.

All that being said, the correspondents dinner was PR genius.

[Scott R. Brown]

Give me a break!

Plus ONE......

....MINUS HOW MANY????

[Scott R. Brown]

Young's America

 Stimulus recipient A123 … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Abound Solar … laid off 70 percent of its company.
 Stimulus recipient Abound Solar … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Amonix … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Azure Dynamics … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Bab**** and Brown … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Beacon Power … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Brightsource … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Chemical Power … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Compact Power … furloughed workers.
 Stimulus recipient Eastern Energy … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient ECOtality … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Ener1 … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Energy Conversion Devices … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Evergreen Solar … fails.
 Stimulus recipient First Solar … sold panels to itself.
 Stimulus recipient First Solar … slashed 2,000 jobs.
 Stimulus recipient First Solar … furloughed pay.
 Stimulus recipient Fisker Automotive … laid off lots of workers (its cars also get worse mileage than SUVs).
 Stimulus recipient Genesis Poly … failed (twice).
 Stimulus recipient Green Vehicles Inc. … failed.
 Stimulus recipient GreenVolts … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Johnson Controls … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient LSP Energy Systems … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Mountain Plaza, Inc. … failed.
 Stimulus recipient National Renewable Energy Lab … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Navistar … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Nevada Geothermal … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Nordic Windpower … failed.
 Stimulus recipient NREL … laid off much of its workforce.
 Stimulus recipient Olsen’s Crop Service … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Range Fuels … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Raser Technologies … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Satcon … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Schneider Electric … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Solar Trust for America … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Solyndra … failed.
 Stimulus recipient SpectraWatt … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Stirling Energy Systems … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Thompson River Power … failed.
 Stimulus recipient SunPower … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Tesla Motors … is failing.
 Stimulus recipient Thompson River Power … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Unisolar … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Vestas … faltering.
 Stimulus recipient Willard & Kelsey Solar Group … laid off 40 employees.
 Stimulus recipient Sappire Energy … failed.
 Stimulus recipient Cree … received $5.2 million and created 3.02 jobs.
 Stimulus recipient Seattle, Wash., was assured 2,000 jobs would be created. Actual result: 14 jobs.

[Scott R. Brown]

As of October 2012:

Heritage.org

So far, 34 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy and other agencies. The amount of money indicated does not reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these companies have received from taxpayers even higher.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8. Bab**** and Brown ($178 million)
9. EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
27. Vestas ($50 million)
28. LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30. Navistar ($39 million)
31. Satcon ($3 million)*
32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

[Syn7]

I know for sure that tesla motors is NOT failing and is in fact ahead on scheduled payments. So I'm not going to research everything on that list myself, but it certainly makes me question the list as a whole.

Can you post a complete list of and source each one on that list? Otherwise I'm not gonna get into the whole conjecture thing.

Although, let's assume the list is accurate(a point which I do NOT concede). Is this not a great advert for keeping public research funding alive and well. These are all companies looking to profit. Take profit out of the equation and you get all the DATA without all the economic crap. Pure research. Most of the stuff we rely on daily, the things that literally shape our world, has it's roots in publically funded research.

[Syn7]

Also, a good chunk of those are solar. They all faced the same problem. It doesn't change the fact that they still had some of the best panels in the world.

Also, while you are at it, since this has a partisan spin on it, why not post up another list for the two previous admins so we can compare. Again, source it or don't bother.


For the record, I don't think loans to privates was the way to go. It's a half assed quick fix bandaid at best, complete waste of money at worst. IMO they could have taken all that money and gave it away as grants and we would actually see real progress DIRECTLY because of the grants starting roughly in ten years or so. All this instant gratification crap is what sunk us in the first place. We're like a bunch of lil bitches when we have to actually wait for something. Sad.

[Scott R. Brown]

The sources are above the lists.

It doesn't matter whether someone makes the best item or not. The government was trying to dictate economic success by funneling public money to mismanaged companies who do not have a market for their products. It was Obama trying to dictate social values through an artificially created and flawed economic system and pay back his supporters through "crony socialism".

It demonstrated "once again" that the economic cannot be manipulated by the government. Something that any intelligent person, who understands a minimum of how economics works, already knew.

All economies run on capitalism whether people understand it, or want to accept it, or not. The way people make their OWN money in an oppressive economic system is through the black market. The black market is 100% capitalistic. Left to their own natural tendencies, all people are become through a capitalistic black market.

[SoCo KungFu]

I know for sure that tesla motors is NOT failing and is in fact ahead on scheduled payments. So I'm not going to research everything on that list myself, but it certainly makes me question the list as a whole.

As you should. The first list was from some douche's blog post, the second from Heritage, one of the most ****tastical right wing propaganda machines you can find. They practically have a revolving chair with Fox Noise.

[Scott R. Brown]

As you should. Heritage is one of the most ****tastical right wing propaganda machines you can find. They practically have a revolving chair with Fox Noise.

You just vaunted your own ignorance for the world to enjoy!

[SoCo KungFu]

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencein...PkhuO.facebook

Apparently the government is not qualified to tell business how to do business, but its perfectly able to tell scientists how to do science. This coming from a moron that thinks if you got sick, its because you didn't pray right...