I like these exercises

[David Jamieson]

imagine if he trains lama pai

he would be unstoppable

I'm just amazed by the eyebrow thing he's got going on.
It's like, he wants to be Lou Ferigno or something.

His "krotty" is comedy gold though.

[sanjuro_ronin]

That is impressive; frost is 230!

BBWWAHAHH !!!

[sanjuro_ronin]

I wonder though, what the results would be if you had two athletes of similar abilities and then put them on two different weight training protocols. One power lifting and the other BB (size) protocol. Who would have better results?

Well, the athlete doing powerlifting would get stronger and, depending on his diet, may or may not have an increase in weight and muscle mass.
The one doing BB would have a greater increase in muscle mass and an increase in strength but not as much as the powerlifter.
All things being equal.
So, who would have better results?
Depends on what results you were trying to get of course.

[Bernard]

Well, the athlete doing powerlifting would get stronger and, depending on his diet, may or may not have an increase in weight and muscle mass.
The one doing BB would have a greater increase in muscle mass and an increase in strength but not as much as the powerlifter.
All things being equal.
So, who would have better results?
Depends on what results you were trying to get of course.

Thank you. I meant results as applied to improving the performance of an athlete's chosen sport/field.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Thank you. I meant results as applied to improving the performance of an athlete's chosen sport/field.

I would THINK that the powerlifting protocol would, typically, yield the better results since pretty much every sport uses strength of some sort and an increase to an athletes "pure strength" level would be beneficial.
Not all sports are best served with an increase in muscle mass.

[SavvySavage]

newsflash: traditional kung fu lift heavy weights

if you dont lift weights, you betray kung fu.

Bawang,

Lifting your own body weight is lifting weight.

[bawang]

Bawang,

Lifting your own body weight is lifting weight.

a complete martial artists doesnt train what he wants to do, he trains what he needs to do.

[SavvySavage]

a complete martial artists doesnt train what he wants to do, he trains what he needs to do.

Please elaborate.

You're saying instead of push ups I should be trying to increase my max bench weight?

[bawang]

Please elaborate.

You're saying instead of push ups I should be trying to increase my max bench weight?

traditionally after one year you would start putting a stone slab on your back. this is songshan shaolin protocol.

[pazman]

Please elaborate.

You're saying instead of push ups I should be trying to increase my max bench weight?

Why would pushups be better than trying to increase your max bench?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Please elaborate.

You're saying instead of push ups I should be trying to increase my max bench weight?

To build strength you need to progressively increase the resistance your muscles are working against.
IN the case of push-ups, you would either need to gain weight or add weight to your own bodyweight.
EX:
You can wear a weighted vest
You can put weights on your back

Or you can use a barbell or dumbells.

Doing more push-ups means that you have more muscular endurance but not more "pure strength" ( How much you can actually lift).

EX:
Who is stronger?
The guy that can do 60 push ups but can't left a fridge.
The guy who can do 30 but can lift a fridge?

The second guy is stronger because he can lift more weight, the first guy has more muscle endurance because he can do more push-ups.

To get stronger in the pushing away from your chest range of motion ( like the push up and bench press) you have to increase to amount of weight you can push, NOT how MANY TIMES you can push a weight that you already can push form double digit reps.

[sanjuro_ronin]

In short we have different types of strength:

Pure strength - how much we can lift
Endurance strength - how many times we can lift it
Speed strength - How fast we can lift it or, more correctly, how fast we can do any given movement.

The above are very general descriptions of course.

[Scott R. Brown]

So.....

Who has more muscle endurance, the guy who can do 60 pushups or the guy who can lift a refrigerator 60 times?

[sanjuro_ronin]

So.....

Who has more muscle endurance, the guy who can do 60 pushups or the guy who can lift a refrigerator 60 times?

you have to honestly compare on a equal basis, ie: the same activity.

[bawang]

in ancient china muscle is a matter of money and nutrition. the richest martial artists who could afford the elaborate wooden exercise machines and eat tons of meat, did so. all the imperial guards were huge and strong. warriors who had big muscles became so famous they became minor gods.


if you are scared of the gym, are lazy, or have been traumatized by muscle bully in childhood, feel free to avoid the gym, but dont use kung fu to justify your fear, dont twist kung fu into your girly man club.


if you are scared of lifting weights, it will hold back your progress as a martial artists.