Actual boxing techniques

[GlennR]

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlx...t#.UXFPD6xxtyJ

Watch the Tony Zale-Marcel Cerdan fight. I watched it last night. I was listening to Edith Paf singing Autumn Leaves-since Piaf and Cerdan were a pair-watching one led to the other.
I happen to think that most depicting contrived defenses on youtube are junk.

Cerdan and Zale were "reaL'boxers- watch their hooks-right and left and their timing and the follow up.

Youre so old school Joy..... shame we couldnt sit down together and watch a few old fights together.

Now those two were warriors, not sure if you been following this....

http://www.boxing.com/the_100_greate...ine_20_11.html

Its been a joy and i think Cerdan is about to come up. Hers a nice litle article about him and Zale

http://www.boxing.com/play_it_again_...el_cerdan.html

Enjoy

[GlennR]

No, no problem at all.
I think it is a good idea for people to learn and see what real boxing is.
My point is that there is so much info already that, if people don't know it's probably because they don't want to.

My point of putting this site up was that he EXPLAINS how and why they are doing things.
Sure theres plenty of clips of good hooks for example, but what i like about this site is that he breaks everything down piece by piece, something that i think a lot of guys here should look at before putting up anti boxing stuff

[k gledhill]

Hi All

As a somewhat frustrated boxer-Mt-WCer, i see people putting up threads like "defense against hook", "how to deal with a boxer" etc etc

I wouldnt mind but the boxing "techniques", to be generous in description, are bad at best.

So here is a clip of a website showing actual boxing techniques, footwork and so on

http://www.myboxingcoach.com/... its very good

So, before putting up your anti-boxing move, have a look here and see if you are REALLY training against a boxer.......... not some guy pretending to be

Oh, and how do you make this a sticky???

Nice post, agree.

[lance]

Hi All

As a somewhat frustrated boxer-Mt-WCer, i see people putting up threads like "defense against hook", "how to deal with a boxer" etc etc

I wouldnt mind but the boxing "techniques", to be generous in description, are bad at best.

So here is a clip of a website showing actual boxing techniques, footwork and so on

http://www.myboxingcoach.com/... its very good

So, before putting up your anti-boxing move, have a look here and see if you are REALLY training against a boxer.......... not some guy pretending to be

Oh, and how do you make this a sticky???

GlennR , boxing is good , but it all depends on how good the WC man is with his own WC skills . If the boxer knows when to move in and when to move out to avoid getting hit by the WC man then he ' ll be a challenge to the WC man . But realistically , boxing you have all the punches you need to knock out a person or really hurt the person . But you can ' t use elbows or kicks like WC people could . MT you can use the same type of punches as western boxing uses and you can use elbows and kicks , but you ' re limited by striking arsenals .

WC you can use straight direct vertical fist punches , backfist , and loaded with different striking techniques , and the blocks to really cover your upper and lower body areas .

Now I ' m not putting down boxing or MT and backing up WC , I ' m just saying what boxing and MT can do and can ' t do .

Unless the boxer or MT fighter can really tailor his or her skills to the way WC people would fight , then they can give the WC people the challenge of their life .
If the boxer had really strong and powerful type of punches or hooks , and if the boxer can move into the WC people without getting kicked then he can hurt the WC man , but the WC man can inturn block those boxing punches and still give the boxer a challenge , so it works both ways . But overall to me it really depends on how good the WC , boxer , MT is with their skills in general . This is just me .

[k gledhill]

A great clip showing some head slipping, bobbing etc ....
http://youtu.be/qSX0PCQXiO4

[GlennR]

A great clip showing some head slipping, bobbing etc ....
http://youtu.be/qSX0PCQXiO4

Pretty good Kev, shows you how good evasion is difficult to deal with

Here's a clip of Willy Pep, id say the most evasive/defensive fighter in history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huZC1RWe5KE

[k gledhill]

Pretty good Kev, shows you how good evasion is difficult to deal with

Here's a clip of Willy Pep, id say the most evasive/defensive fighter in history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huZC1RWe5KE

Yeah, he makes it look easy. Good clip too. Some moves are obviously not mma friendly. I like to get my students used to this simple counter head to our punching entry slip, so they don't " squirrel ! " if they miss ; ) using certain techniques we do what boxers can't , like chase the head with the extended arm rather than retract and allow the head to recover.
http://youtu.be/M72H7q2iabM

[Pete]

hmmm my "anti-boxing" technique seems simpler than some mentioned...kick the s*** out of their legs?

i would NEVER try to block or counter a boxer! lol

[Wayfaring]

Yeah, he makes it look easy. Good clip too. Some moves are obviously not mma friendly. I like to get my students used to this simple counter head to our punching entry slip, so they don't " squirrel ! " if they miss ; ) using certain techniques we do what boxers can't , like chase the head with the extended arm rather than retract and allow the head to recover.
http://youtu.be/M72H7q2iabM

Wow. First time I saw the WSL clip. So to sum up WSL's message:

1. Street vs. Sport
2. 1 inch punch
3. Hands are faster than the head.

Pretty shaky ground there. The street vs. sport argument is pretty well over, even though many traditionalists doggedly refuse to acknowledge this. And LOL at a 1 inch punch from an extended position after the opponent slips the punch. And complete misunderstanding of #3 from a boxing perspective. You don't move the head because it's faster than hands, it is a combination of what targets are left open by your fighting stance and a very efficient movement of the head to slip to cause your opponent to use more energy than you and to open them up and extend them for a counter punch.

Now that I'm done with the blasphemy paragraph, let's move on.

Nice Willie Pep clip. Yes his head movement down by his opponent's knees are exploiting the rules of boxing and would get him in trouble in mma or self defense. But I'll bet the list of people on this forum that could actually hit Willie is pretty small. Even if he is 85 now.

As far as doing what boxers can't, the standard MT response to a slipped punch and an extended arm is grab the head and knee to the body. That sure holds up better than a 1 inch punch there. And there are other options in the clinch realm too.

So what is WCK's answer to the boxing opponent whose head bobs around all the time? Centerline, baby, centerline. And center of mass. Drive a freight train right through the sternum while watching them bob for apples. Don't try to strike the head as it's the exact same thing as chasing hands. Chase center. You know, kind of like PB's right hand was doing to everyone on the seminar clips.

[GlennR]

Yeah, he makes it look easy. Good clip too. Some moves are obviously not mma friendly. I like to get my students used to this simple counter head to our punching entry slip, so they don't " squirrel ! " if they miss ; ) using certain techniques we do what boxers can't , like chase the head with the extended arm rather than retract and allow the head to recover.
http://youtu.be/M72H7q2iabM

Id disagree that boxers cant do that.

In fact my personal favorite is an extended jab, particularly against a bobber/weaver, which is of the body more than normal and probably only moves about a foot to the target, retracts a bit and does it again. In addition to that, the hand "floats" a bit before striking

Not exactly the same but similar

[boxerbilly]

Hi All

As a somewhat frustrated boxer-Mt-WCer, i see people putting up threads like "defense against hook", "how to deal with a boxer" etc etc

I wouldnt mind but the boxing "techniques", to be generous in description, are bad at best.

So here is a clip of a website showing actual boxing techniques, footwork and so on

http://www.myboxingcoach.com/... its very good

So, before putting up your anti-boxing move, have a look here and see if you are REALLY training against a boxer.......... not some guy pretending to be

Oh, and how do you make this a sticky???

Since this thread is active again. I posted WC vids against Karate. The way the WC guys used their guard would be the best way I can see, provided you knew you were in a fight. If he is close enough to hook you your getting hooked more than likely. But, that WC guard barehanded, would give me great difficulties using what I used in the ring. With gloves, I could deal with it much better. Well, maybe not if it was UFC gloves.

That's a good guard barehanded. Other arts may be able to exploit it better than I could have. If I used other things I could do, I have different options. But strictly boxing, I'm not good enough to get around it. Id make a hit for every 10+ I get. And walking into walls would take me out soon enough. Other boxers may do much better.

[Muller21Q]

Hi All

As a somewhat frustrated boxer-Mt-WCer, i see people putting up threads like "defense against hook", "how to deal with a boxer" etc etc

I wouldnt mind but the boxing "techniques", to be generous in description, are bad at best.

So here is a clip of a website showing actual boxing techniques, footwork and so on

http://www.myboxingcoach.com/... its very good

So, before putting up your anti-boxing move, have a look here and see if you are REALLY training against a boxer.......... not some guy pretending to be

Oh, and how do you make this a sticky???

That's interesting