Internal and Combat

[bawang]

This is quite true. My teacher commented on my friend's "both hands facing down double pulling". It took my friend 25 years until his Taiji teacher passed away, he finally changed his "double pulling" into the correct way. I asked him why it took him that long. His answer was, "As long as my teacher is still alive, I can't change it."

when i was 13 i wanted to learn kung fu to beat up a bully. when my first scammer teacher tang youxin tried to make me do fancy techniques, i couldnt stand it. "authentic" "pure" wasnt important to me. i need to beat somebody up, i needed to win.

if somebody has anger and revenge, he will find the real kung fu, nothing can hide the real kung fu from him. if somebody wants the "graceful" "beautiful" kung fu, he will be useless garbage till hes an old man.

[MightyB]

On a side note... Something that YKW's video link reminded me of - Whenever I watch a push hands demo, it appears to me that the Master is always more aggressive and THAT is the secret to their apparent success.

Master pulls up student to demonstrate his superior skill at push hands. Student is respectfully tentative and restrains their movement. The master at some point gets really aggressive and shoves the student. Master and student beam with delight at the Master's apparent super skill. This goes on throughout the whole day with it happening time and time again with every student.

[bawang]

On a side note... Something that YKW's video link reminded me of - Whenever I watch a push hands demo, it appears to me that the Master is always more aggressive and THAT is the secret to their apparent success.

Master pulls up student to demonstrate his superior skill at push hands. Student is respectfully tentative and restrains their movement. The master at some point gets really aggressive and shoves the student. Master and student beam with delight at the Master's apparent super skill. This goes on throughout the whole day with it happening time and time again with every student.

its a form of hypnosis. you cant generate power or defeat your master because you are literally hypnotized.

[Robinhood]

Offense is the best defense. When US missiles flew toward Iraq, we didn't see any Iraq missiles flew back to US.

You just can't "soft" your opponent to death.

IF he can't hurt you, has he beat you up. ?

[sanjuro_ronin]

On a side note... Something that YKW's video link reminded me of - Whenever I watch a push hands demo, it appears to me that the Master is always more aggressive and THAT is the secret to their apparent success.

Master pulls up student to demonstrate his superior skill at push hands. Student is respectfully tentative and restrains their movement. The master at some point gets really aggressive and shoves the student. Master and student beam with delight at the Master's apparent super skill. This goes on throughout the whole day with it happening time and time again with every student.

That goes for pretty much any demo of any MA.

[lkfmdc]

On a side note... Something that YKW's video link reminded me of - Whenever I watch a push hands demo, it appears to me that the Master is always more aggressive and THAT is the secret to their apparent success.

Master pulls up student to demonstrate his superior skill at push hands. Student is respectfully tentative and restrains their movement. The master at some point gets really aggressive and shoves the student. Master and student beam with delight at the Master's apparent super skill. This goes on throughout the whole day with it happening time and time again with every student.

have a good friend who is a push hands player, has competed in Asia many times, I told him in a good natured (but serious) way that they all spend years pushing only to learn eventually that if you just change one angle it is always successful... I WAS being serious.. it's an old Judo trick as well, ALWAYS works

Go back and look at a lot of these demos and you'll see teh trickl, but like so much in TCMA no one wants to show it because they want to hang it over people's heads

[MightyB]

its a form of hypnosis. you literally cant generate power or defeat your master because you are hypnotized.

nah it's not even that. It's ego. I guess you could say it's cult of personality. It bothers me, and it should bother the "Masters" that are perpetrating it... but they believe their delusion. I blame the students too - for feeding the delusion. I think that a student should, at some point during their career, during push hands, give a real challenge to the "Master". Actually, all advanced students and the Master should always give real challenge to each other. Then everyone's kung fu would be at a high level. And yes, at some point, when the Master is elderly, you take it easy on him, but they've earned it then.

[MightyB]

Go back and look at a lot of these demos and you'll see the trick, but like so much in TCMA no one wants to show it because they want to hang it over people's heads

Funny, Sad, and True all at the same time.

[David Jamieson]

have a good friend who is a push hands player, has competed in Asia many times, I told him in a good natured (but serious) way that they all spend years pushing only to learn eventually that if you just change one angle it is always successful... I WAS being serious.. it's an old Judo trick as well, ALWAYS works

Go back and look at a lot of these demos and you'll see teh trickl, but like so much in TCMA no one wants to show it because they want to hang it over people's heads

This is true. Physics dictates that the unmovable arm, unbendable arm, unliftable body etc are all simple applied physics tricks. No qi, no magic, no years of study required.

I still get surprised when I meet older people taht believe in it. I feel bad for them sometimes because I would hate to be their age and still that gullible. it can be boggling.

[lkfmdc]

I am stealing this quote from a different thread in the southern forum

The issue with the "dwindling" popularity of Hung Kuen ( And according to some, TCMA in general) is a complex issue.
I don't think it is because students don't like to work hard, go to any boxing, MT or MMA gym and you will find very hard workers, guys putting in serious hours.

when I think back to my generation, we were all young, mostly kids and young teenagers, we all thought that there were secrets to be learned... we also thought that we had to work long hours, and put up with all sorts of stupid stuff to get those secrets....

That is the ONLY reason people put up with all the TCMA associated crap. And, of course, as the world changes it's mindset so goes those who are willing to put up with the crap

[MightyB]

This guy was so ahead of his time in his thinking...

Combat science cannot be divided into schools, and the boxing theory does not have the distinction of Chinese or foreign, and new or old. Do nothing but examine whether it is right or wrong, and suitable or unsuitable, that is enough. At large, the numerous schools of our society, generally take the approach of forms and techniques to learn boxing. One must know that this kind practice is just forgery conducted by the later generations, it is not the original essence of combat science. Even though a few people by chance realise some side-mechanics and one-sided techniques, they have not, however, left the methods and forms after all, so it is without avail in the end.

[lkfmdc]

This guy was so ahead of his time in his thinking...

actually, a LOT of the guys in his generation thought this way... we've been force fed a lot of myth and just plain BS about TCMA

[YouKnowWho]

IF he can't hurt you, has he beat you up. ?

do you hide yourself in a tank?

[YouKnowWho]

actually, a LOT of the guys in his generation thought this way... we've been force fed a lot of myth and just plain BS about TCMA

That's true.

XingYi master Li Cun-yi said, "XingYi is for killing and not for performance."

http://imageshack.us/a/img412/2729/xyform1.jpg

[lkfmdc]

That's true.

XingYi master Li Cun-yi said, "XingYi is for killing and not for performance."

http://imageshack.us/a/img412/2729/xyform1.jpg

XingYi was art of bodyguards and escorts, noting mystical or for that matter "internal" about it....