Internal and Combat

[Mike Patterson]

Good as amateurs but I wouldn't say "FIGHTERS".

Really... I would LOVE to see you step onto the platform with any one of them. Hell, I'll wager I have GIRLS who would change your perspective within a minute or two of engaging.

[lkfmdc]

Really... I would LOVE to see you step onto the platform with any one of them. Hell, I'll wager I have GIRLS who would change your perspective within a minute or two of engaging.

Shihfu Patterson, I wouldn't really respond much to this guy.. his profile isn't that filled out but he seems to be yet anotehr of the Henana Shaolin Kool Aid drinkers...

[xinyidizi]

Really... I would LOVE to see you step onto the platform with any one of them. Hell, I'll wager I have GIRLS who would change your perspective within a minute or two of engaging.

I never said that I'm more than an amateur hobbyist. I respect you for training them and you have done a good job but I have seen better fighters in comparison.

[lkfmdc]

I never said that I'm more than an amateur hobbyist. I respect you for training them and you have done a good job but I have seen better fighters in comparison.

Based upon what you have posted here, I suggest there is something with your vision.....

[YouKnowWho]

Does this count?

http://v.ku6.com/show/1UoFfW6DiKXOzKegr7ZNIQ...html

At 2.06, it's a foot sweep. I believe this clip is a demo (set up). It's not a real fight.

[xinyidizi]

At 2.06, it's a foot sweep. I believe this clip is a demo (set up). It's not a real fight.

As my teacher told me that year they wanted to promote Wang Xian's school. They only allowed Wang's son and a few of his students plus a few non-fighters from outside of Chen village. The fights between the people of their own school were fake but about this one I'm not sure. Even for a fake fight it's too sloppy. It's either fake or probably the guy just hasn't fought before in his life.

[YouKnowWho]

Not everyone puts weight on their front leg when striking.

You still have to put one leg infront of another. Even if you may just put 0% weight as empty stance, you will be vulunable for scoop.

The shin bite, scoop, sticky kick, foot sweep are "4 in 1 and 1 in 4". This is just part of the "leg skill" that I was talking about.

[Mike Patterson]

Sorry.. but the statement;

I never said that I'm more than an amateur hobbyist.

combined with;

I have seen better fighters in comparison.

add up to..

you don't have a clue what you are looking at and are in no position what-so-ever to judge.

Anyone who as not fought at, or trained fighters for, a competitive level is incapable of judging what is good from bad fighting. Your being a "hobbyist" does not put you on an equal footing with people that have coached fighters to success. You simply do not have "the eyes" to really know one way or another. The proof of this is found within both what you have stated and, what you say you are unsure of, with regard to the clips posted.

Contrary to belief by some people on this and other forums...Yes.. you DO have to have actual experience to know. Being a hobbyist/practitioner does not and never will qualify you, or anyone else who thinks as you do, to be able to judge.

David is right... you need help with your vision.. and a great deal of help at that. But thanks for your "respect" as lord knows that is the stuff for which I live.

[xinyidizi]

Sorry.. but the statement;



combined with;



add up to..

you don't have a clue what you are looking at and are in no position what-so-ever to judge.

Anyone who as not fought at, or trained fighters for, a competitive level is incapable of judging what is good from bad fighting. Your being a "hobbyist" does not put you on an equal footing with people that have coached fighters to success. You simply do not have "the eyes" to really know one way or another. The proof of this is found within both what you have stated and, what you say you are unsure of, with regard to the clips posted.

Contrary to belief by some people on this and other forums...Yes.. you DO have to have actual experience to know. Being a hobbyist/practitioner does not and never will qualify you, or anyone else who thinks as you do, to be able to judge.

David is right... you need help with your vision.. and a great deal of help at that. But thanks for your "respect" as lord knows that is the stuff for which I live.

The world would become a much better place for all of us if someday you trained "FIGHTERS" who could beat up UFC champions with just taiji, bagua and xingyi. Until then these endless discussions about IMA or even TCMA will continue for ever with no proof of them being anything more than amateur fighting. So good luck and personally I hope you can make IMA proud by training such fighters.

[Dragonzbane76]

The world would become a much better place for all of us if someday you trained "FIGHTERS" who could beat up UFC champions with just taiji, bagua and xingyi

lol this statement made me laugh. not for the fact of the listed MA's. but the fact that you seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

[xinyidizi]

lol this statement made me laugh. not for the fact of the listed MA's. but the fact that you seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

I guess it's a TCMA thing. I want to be serious but I can't. I want to be sarcastic but I can't either.

[David Jamieson]

At 2.06, it's a foot sweep. I believe this clip is a demo (set up). It's not a real fight.

Agreed, but do you think that part of the dynamics of the defense is to go with and return from the incoming strikes?

In which case, that would be difficult.

[YouKnowWho]

Agreed, but do you think that part of the dynamics of the defense is to go with and return from the incoming strikes?

In which case, that would be difficult.

Are you talking about the counters for foot sweep? You can

- pull your foot over the sweeping leg.
- turn your shin bore into the sweeping leg.

Both will require body spinning.

A fake demo is easy to detect. When someone chokes your throat, instead of trying to use your hands to break the throat hold, you drop your hands next to your legs and shake like a fish, that's fake. When you can see some abnormal respond, that's fake. In that clip, his opponent made mistakes that even a beginner won't make those mistakes.

[Mike Patterson]

The world would become a much better place for all of us if someday you trained "FIGHTERS" who could beat up UFC champions with just taiji, bagua and xingyi. Until then these endless discussions about IMA or even TCMA will continue for ever with no proof of them being anything more than amateur fighting. So good luck and personally I hope you can make IMA proud by training such fighters.

Someone else will have to carry that torch, dude. My era pre-dates professional MMA.

But that does not change the fact that fighting at any competitive level is still fighting at a competitive level, amateur or otherwise. And it also does not change the fact that until you, or any other "hobbyist" that thinks like you do, steps into a ring of ANY kind or venue and wins. Or coaches anyone in ANY kind of competitive venue to win (I have done both, btw) their opinion on fighting at any level means exactly ZERO to me.

For now, your ignorance is both telling and laughable. Come back and talk to me when you are more than just a "hobbyist" and perhaps I will listen.

[wenshu]

Anyone who as not fought at, or trained fighters for, a competitive level is incapable of judging what is good from bad fighting.

Contrary to belief by some people on this and other forums...Yes.. you DO have to have actual experience to know. Being a hobbyist/practitioner does not and never will qualify you, or anyone else who thinks as you do, to be able to judge.

until you, or any other "hobbyist" that thinks like you do, steps into a ring of ANY kind or venue and wins. Or coaches anyone in ANY kind of competitive venue to win (I have done both, btw) their opinion on fighting at any level means exactly ZERO to me.

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