Internal and Combat

[Kellen Bassette]

actually, a LOT of the guys in his generation thought this way... we've been force fed a lot of myth and just plain BS about TCMA

If someone teaches only fundamental gong fu, people will say he is a fraud for not teaching a real style/system. If someone teaches only fundamental Muay Thai, and not the tradition/form of Muay Boran, it is fine.

Gong Fu needs dedicated fundamental training. Not cult like style worship.

[xinyidizi]

LOL Yiquan criticizing Taichi is like the pot calling the kettle black.

[lkfmdc]

If someone teaches only fundamental gong fu, people will say he is a fraud for not teaching a real style/system. If someone teaches only fundamental Muay Thai, and not the tradition/form of Muay Boran, it is fine.

Gong Fu needs dedicated fundamental training. Not cult like style worship.

real kung fu IS the fundamentals... the "flowers" are all a result of spare time when they were no longer fighting for their lives all the time

[lkfmdc]

LOL Yiquan criticizing Taichi is like the pot calling the kettle black.

despite the views he expresses in his interview, today if you youtube his students most are not doing much fighting... something about TCMA that in a few generations something can devolve so completely

[-N-]

I think that a student should, at some point during their career, during push hands, give a real challenge to the "Master".

Just be up front about it. Not a good idea to try to sucker punch the teacher unless you are willing to accept the possible consequences.

Not push hands, but I was working with a student on a 2 move combo that ended with waist chop takedown.

We were going fast, and I stopped short of taking him down. I locked him up at his balance point then eased up to let him recover.

Right then he tried to hit me, thinking to show off a counter move, so I locked him up again.

He panicked and lost his balance. I caught him from falling completely, but he still twisted his leg and tore his knee ligaments. It happened in a split second, and he was in a knee brace for a long time afterwards.

[YouKnowWho]

Not a good idea to try to sucker punch the teacher unless you are willing to accept the possible consequences.

One of my SC senior brothers tried to test my teacher's skill one day. For the rest of his life, he had to hide behind the pole to watch SC tournament. It's so easy to burn the bridge.

[Robinhood]

do you hide yourself in a tank?

LOL, What tank ?, It's all about target, can't find or hit target, then if nothing to hit, then hard to take advantage.

[YouKnowWho]

LOL, What tank ?, It's all about target, can't find or hit target, then if nothing to hit, then hard to take advantage.

Love to see a clip about that.

[MightyB]

despite the views he expresses in his interview, today if you youtube his students most are not doing much fighting... something about TCMA that in a few generations something can devolve so completely

Yeah - for some reason they've fixated on the health cultivation to the point of forgetting the martial when it's clear by this article that he expressly emphasized that the martial was necessary and very important. Sad really. So you go from a guy that was basically a qigong happy predecessor of the Bruce Lee MMA way of thinking and devolve it to a bunch of people smirking whilst standing post for hours on end.

<man I must've jumped on the bitter bus this morning>

And N I'm not advocating sucker punching your instructor. I'm advocating keeping it real enough so that you don't somehow create that cult of personality thing where there's students faking no touch knockouts, chi immobilization, and hopping across the floor. That false atmosphere can happen real fast with too much compliance.

[MightyB]

LOL Yiquan criticizing Taichi is like the pot calling the kettle black.

I think some of them have earned it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Rn-lkPzk0

That's just one of many vids out there showing them hard sparring and drilling. I rescind my comment about them smirking whilst standing post. They can smirk and stand post all they want as long as they continue to do this other practice.

[MightyB]

This one shows good Wing Chun, especially around the 5 minute mark. It's controlled sparring between a yi quan guy and a wing chunner. You clearly see the distinct styles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ythWqde-c

It's controlled, but it's playing hands the way playing hands should be played. Controlled, yet confident.

[xinyidizi]

This one shows good Wing Chun, especially around the 5 minute mark. It's controlled sparring between a yi quan guy and a wing chunner. You clearly see the distinct styles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ythWqde-c

It's controlled, but it's playing hands the way playing hands should be played. Controlled, yet confident.

My V P N has expired but if it is what I just searched on google then that's Xingyi not Yiquan. Anyway the old guy really needs to protect his head.

[MightyB]

My V P N has expired but if it is what I just searched on google then that's Xingyi not Yiquan. Anyway the old guy really needs to protect his head.

well - in action he's demonstrating yiquan in his fighting. Pretty much sums up the Wang interview saying you should eliminate the forms and modern element theory because that's not representative of real fighting.

Xing Yi minus forms, and the rock paper scissors mentality of the element theory = yi quan.

Yi Quan application practice

Taikiken (Japanese Yi Quan)

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Yeah he does need to protect his head.

[MightyB]

honestly I don't know why I'm jumping on the yi quan bandwagon right now... I just liked what the guy said in the article. I don't know yi quan or xing yi and probably wouldn't choose them for my "internal" style anyway if I chose to do "internal".

[xinyidizi]

well - in action he's demonstrating yiquan in his fighting. Pretty much sums up the Wang interview saying you should eliminate the forms and modern element theory because that's not representative of real fighting.

Xing Yi minus forms, and the rock paper scissors mentality of the element theory = yi quan.

The old guy is just showing no experience in fighting with a half-decent opponent. This video shows very clearly the main problem of TCMA. TCMA's problem is not forms, Neigong, ... as these things are good and teach you power and speed. The XY guy has learned these these skills from his forms but clear lack of experience against a more experienced fighter shows that he doesn't know how to use his skills.