Internal and Combat

[xinyidizi]

dont play dumb.

That's stupid city scholar stuff by people who had never touched an opponent. Actual XYLH guys have always been strong muslims and Chen people were strong farmers before. Asking a farmer to lift weights is like asking a cheetah to do more treadmill.

[bawang]

That's stupid city scholar stuff by people who had never touched an opponent. Actual XYLH guys have always been strong muslims and Chen people were strong farmers before. Asking a farmer to lift weights is like asking a cheetah to do more treadmill.

chen family "farmer strength" is so strong that their patriarch failed the imperial exam. and surrendered when manchu invaded.

200 years later yang luchan learned their kung fu and failed the imperial exam again. LOL

[xinyidizi]

chen family "farmer strength" is so strong that their patriarch failed the imperial exam. and surrendered when manchu invaded.

I just want to know where you have heard that in XYLH or Chen taiji strong muscles were bad.

[Miqi]

Professional yiquan basic punch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oJHN...2F030F65F7C61F

Amateur demonstration of basic principle of yiquan shen fa for punching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6bL...uY9Yg&index=18

Amateur demonstration of yiquan jab on punch bag - not a particularly heavy one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_AWa...uY9Yg&index=31

Some other basic punches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mmrD...uY9Yg&index=19

Forgive the fancy opening, it seemed really cool at the time. I'm 39 in these videos - I'm older, stronger and healthier now, so I think I cover the health aspect ok. It's a shame some people have invested so much in their daft reputations that they daren't show the reality. It's actually ok just to be a folk wushu practioner, with a hobby level. Our motto is "train to kill your enemies - but choose your enemies very carefully". Heh...

Buddha bless those who claimed such a high level that they're actually embarrassed now to show the truth of it. And especially bless those who think you can have theoretical skill.

All the best,
Miqi

[Dragonzbane76]

Dead horse....It's dead I tell you stop beating it....

[lkfmdc]

a couple of threads on here lately make me feel like doing a master thread of larger picture, but I have to teach and there is a big seminar in school today... it will have to wait

Let me say this... some good, some bad... guy is hitting a bag, he is wearing gloves (not "scared" of them like some are), he is showing basically jab and cross, good and basic and functional

Still too concerned with making it look like his style, with it being "internal" and missing some basic points...

My point has never been to say there is nothing of value in TCMA or that they didn't fight. Clearly they did. Clearly some of the older generations were quite good IN THEIR CONTEXT..... but there is just too much nonsense associated with TCMA,,, and the nonsense continues to grow the ****her we get from the original source and as time passes

[xinyidizi]

Taiji punishment for Japanese starting from 1:20:
http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/72296246-1194433982.html


Now some real grandmaster level internal sparring:
http://www.56.com/u95/v_ODg2MDIxODA.html

[Robinhood]

We already have an "Internal and Health" thread. I want to start with an "Internal and Combat" thread here. Let's stay away from health, self-cultivation, inner peace, and performance, but concentrate on "combat and combat only" discussion.

Can anybody be able to put up a clip that demonstrate the "internal" principle applied on:

- punch (jab, cross, hook, uppercut, ...),
- kick (front kick, roundhouse kick, side kick, hook kick, ...),
- lock (wrist lock, elbow lock, shoulder lock, head lock, ...),
- throw (single leg, double legs, hip throw, leg twist, ...),
- ground skill (high mount, low mount, reverse mount, side mount, ...)?

Let's not talking about theory in this thread but try to find some evidence that prove "internal" can help "combat".

I know, I know, if internal can improve health, health can improve combat, internal can improve combat. That's indirect and not direct. Eating food and drinking water can improve health too. I won't say that water and food will have anything to do wth combat. Let's not to go through that path again.

JOHN, your constant want to see internal, really is pretty odd, you either are clueless, or bored to death ?

[xinyidizi]

Xinyidizi, perhaps you take your racist sentiments back to weibo.

Sorry, I 'm not racist. and not Chinese. will delete that. There is too much anti Japanese TV series on TV. Qinnaing them reminded me of one of them.

[MarathonTmatt]

Of course the more ZZ that you do, the better static rooting that you can develop. IMO, the dynamic rooting which is much harder to develop, but much more useful can only be developed through the so called "external" training method (such as carry weigh with single leg uphill hopping).

yes sir, I very much appreciate what you just said.

[MarathonTmatt]

no.

oh, i get it. what is the point of a forum?, lol. word to your mother.

[SavvySavage]

Taiji punishment for Japanese starting from 1:20:
http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/72296246-1194433982.html


Now some real grandmaster level internal sparring:
http://www.56.com/u95/v_ODg2MDIxODA.html

You called the second clip real grandmaster level internal sparring. You should have called it "real grand pa level internal push hands." Those two old guys weren't sparring. They weren't hitting each other, throwing each other, joint lockings each other. Nothing. They were trying to push each other period end of report. They've probably never sparred before in their lives. I'm curious as to why you called this sorting and if you know what sparring is?

[xinyidizi]

You called the second clip real grandmaster level internal sparring. You should have called it "real grand pa level internal push hands." Those two old guys weren't sparring. They weren't hitting each other, throwing each other, joint lockings each other. Nothing. They were trying to push each other period end of report. They've probably never sparred before in their lives. I'm curious as to why you called this sorting and if you know what sparring is?

Do you know the guys?

[xinyidizi]

OK this one is more serious, starting at 3:09 :
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzI3Njc2OTY=.html


I really liked it when the kid figured out how to defeat the Gwai Lo twice his size.


(I'm a Gwai Lo too, so that's not racist)

[bawang]

I just want to know where you have heard that in XYLH or Chen taiji strong muscles were bad.

i never heard that from the chen family or the funny hats. im talking about "contemporary" western tai chi, the one that matters. chen family is ok with realistic training, but chen family is like 20 people.