Connection

[Wayfaring]

Then post one and answer the question

Pick any one.

Answer is because it's live fighting, not fake dancing. That's why it's better.

Now answer.

[guy b.]

Pick any one.

Answer is because it's live fighting, not fake dancing. That's why it's better.

Now answer.

still waiting

1. Post a clip of the kind of full contact wing chun that you actually approve of and describe why it is better than the HK wing chun clips of training and the same guys fighting the xing yi guys in China

[Wayfaring]

still waiting

Oh p1$$ off.

I already provided exactly what you are asking for that you are using as an excuse to avoid questions and provide backup information.

Everyone on this thread knows it now.

However, if there are any remaining doubters, I have posted that guyb can pick any of the videos on the sticky thread in the forum entitled "Wing Chun Full Contact Fights" for his example. I stated that any one of those would be better than the videos he is referencing. I also stated that why they are better is that they represent realistic live energy the same level of which you would find in a self-defense scenario.

You are transparent in your cowardice. You are clueless with respect to the real application of WCK in fighting. And you are dishonest. You lose at the lottery of life.

I have nothing more to discuss with you.

[guy b.]

Oh p1$$ off.

I already provided exactly what you are asking for that you are using as an excuse to avoid questions and provide backup information.

Everyone on this thread knows it now.

You are transparent in your cowardice. You are clueless with respect to the real application of WCK in fighting. And you are dishonest.

I have nothing more to discuss with you.

You are the one that you will not identify a single clip of wing chun that you are prepared to identify with and defend. Inability to stand for something is the very definition of cowardice.

I for one would love to answer your silly bjj questions because I do not have this kind of fear.

[JPinAZ]

back to the topic.
I rewatched the OP clip. Fom a simplified WC perspective, conceptually what he is talking about could be viewed as WC's loi lau hoi sung concept. If you loi lau ('receive') the initial attack thru a bridge, your hoi sung ('escort') should, in effect, be disrupting their balance thru manipulation of the COG thru the bridge. Considering of course there is still a bridge.
If not, the second half of the kuit takes over

This is what I see when he makes initial contact and then disrupt's the opponent's COG.

[JPinAZ]

Can you expand on kiu sao and chi kiu? They aren't terms I'm familiar with so it might be that we do the same / similar but call it something else, or it might be something completely different to what I do and if so I'd be interested to understand more.

Sorry I missed this.
They are different methods of bridging and bridge manipulation. The differences between them are typically facing, point of contact on the bridge, given time/space of the engagement, energy on the bridge, inside or outside 'the box', etc.

Here's an article that goes deeper on HFY kiu sau:
http://www.hungfablog.com/2012/02/02...au-hung-fa-yi/

For a simple answer on chi kiu, it is a concept that comes out of our Chum Kiu level of training and a method for both traveling along a bridge, as well as distorting the structure, space and/or facing of the opponent in the process.

[anerlich]

I'm still waiting for Wayfaring to answer my question which was asked before his

That's not much of a reason for not answering my question about the horde of anti-Telles black belts you cited - is there a KFO FIFO question queue or something? your CPU not set up for multitasking? - but I doubt you were ever going to try even if you could.

[guy b.]

That's not much of a reason for not answering my question about the horde of anti-Telles black belts you cited - is there a KFO FIFO question queue or something? your CPU not set up for multitasking? - but I doubt you were ever going to try even if you could.

You are asking the same question as Wayfaring. It is impossible to answer you without answering him

[anerlich]

It is impossible to answer you without answering him

OK, well answer him as well then. Not hard, is it?

I'm coming to the conclusion you can't name the black belt Telles haters because they exist only in your imagination.

If your foot's in your mouth and halfway down to your stomach, maybe you shouldn't keep pushing it in further.

[guy b.]

OK, well answer him as well then. Not hard, is it?

He will have to answer me first because I asked first.

[Frost]

1. Post a clip of the kind of full contact wing chun that you actually approve of and describe why it is better than the HK wing chun clips of training and the same guys fighting the xing yi guys in China

the fact you think that was a fight is very telling, its hard to have a fight where no real conttact is made

[guy b.]

the fact you think that was a fight is very telling, its hard to have a fight where no real conttact is made

Contact is made at times when showing is required. Control is exercised at other times because it is good manners. This does not mean that it isn't a fight. It is a real live test of skill. Full contact does not need to be made at all times for other movement to be full power, speed and aliveness.

If it is only a real fight if full contact then hitting with gloves on does not equal a fight. This is why I am keen to see clips of wing chun that the troll contingent approves of. Unfortunately they are too scared to show anything (probably because they know it looks pathetic).

[Ali. R]

So I'm a little sick of all the bong lap lamer videos around, and wanted to depart from that a little.

One topic near and dear to every WCK practitioner's heart is chi sau. Chi sau of course is about a lot of things, but one main topic that it is about is "connection"

We take connection from a stance point of view, than we'll work our way out to the limbs, and this is why:

But first there’s a big misconception on how we work or develop our stance and connection, it’s not all about if you cannot be pushed from position or out from your stance, it’s how well you could redirect energy to the floor. This way you’re being able to feel and identified when your center of gravity is being taken over consciously and in some cases subconsciously in the heat of battle or in training.

This will help you to appreciate the significant value of having soft hands while developing “structural sensibilities” and the idea of “adjustments” a lot sooner, softer and almost instantly as you develop it as two entities rather than all at once (from leaning forward). We feel that this keeps the hands a lot softer when developing the idea of controlling space through sensitivity; we have the same concepts as everyone else, but just a different path in getting there (good connection).


Take care,