With all due respects if you two want to debate another topic please do so via PMs or in another thread. I do not wish to be rude but having your debates spill from other threads into this one, is not something that I would like to see.
I understand why, anerlich, you have picked guy_b up on this point but I would prefer it if you would do me the courtesy, of not taking his bait in this thread. I am sure there are others that may want to discuss the themes I put forwards but I fear they will be put off from discussing due to these debates with guy_b.