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    Traditional training equipment

    Anyone out there know of any ye olde kung fu training equipment. Okinawan karate has it's own things so I'm sure kung fu has some apparatuses also right? I tried looking on the Internet with little luck. Just looking to add a little spice into my training regime is all.

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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Traditional training equipment

    This subject has been discussed many times in this forum. Just try to do some search.

    - belt cracking,
    - cane bundle twisting,
    - bricks twisting,
    - weight pulley,
    - single head,
    - double heads,
    - Gon rotation,
    - sand basket lifting,
    - cane bundle training,
    - pole hanging,
    - Bowling ball sccoping,
    - stone lock,
    - square bag throwing,
    - long bag throwing,
    - ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Traditional training equipment

    This subject has been discussed many times in this forum. Just try to do some search.

    - belt cracking,
    - cane bundle twisting,
    - bricks twisting,
    - weight pulley,
    - single head,
    - double heads,
    - Gon rotation,
    - sand basket lifting,
    - cane bundle training,
    - pole hanging,
    - Bowling ball sccoping,
    - stone lock,
    - square bag throwing,
    - long bag throwing,
    - ...
    Tried to, just didn't know the stupid secret question thing. Thanks though.

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    I won't go into any detail but the following are ancient CMA training equipment:

    - leather belt for cracking.
    - brick for finger strength.
    - stone lock for swinging.
    - square bag for throwing.
    - long bag for arm strength.
    - single head for leg.
    - double heads for arm and body.
    - weight puller for pulling.
    - bowling ball for foot scoop.
    - long cane bundle for techniques.
    - short cane bundle for grabbing.
    - short wooden stick for grabbing.
    - long woodern stick for grabbing.
    - weight on the loop for vibration.
    - weight on the end of rope for wrist strength.
    - big brick for body function.
    - Gon for twisting.
    - water jar for finger strength.
    - tree (or pole) for hanging, shin bitting, sticky, ...
    - ...

    First you have to decide what skill that you want to enhance. You then pick up the right equipments for that skill. You have to map it backward.

    For example, the skill "扣(Kou) - Knee seize" requires 4 different kind of forces. Which will need 4 different equipments to develop from.

    1. grip strength - throwing bag,
    2. linear shaking - weight pulley.
    3. forward pushing - long cane bundle,
    4. backward pulling - single head.

    Here are some pictures:

    http://imageshack.us/a/img856/4540/druml.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img842/5976/stonelock.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img198/6042/jibengong2.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img197/5606/weightpulley2.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img685/5167/singleheadbow.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img717/659/twistshortstick.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img827/8484/weightpulley3.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img694/5728/weightpulley1.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img508/7338/s...adlegtwist.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img687/1138/earthweight.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img840/8890/singleheadsweep.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img718/1716/s...eadleglift.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img221/1374/s...knifehookv.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img577/7338/s...adlegtwist.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img821/1671/doubleheads.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img19/8387/weightpulley.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img20/3987/polehang2.png
    http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7958/canebundle.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raipizo View Post
    Tried to, just didn't know the stupid secret question thing. Thanks though.
    LOL...I never sign out, so when I did once I couldn't remember my sign in info...I new the answers to the questions, tried for two days couldn't get on...don't know if it's the wording, spelling capitalization or what, but those questions were all like, "none shall pass!"
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raipizo View Post
    Anyone out there know of any ye olde kung fu training equipment. Okinawan karate has it's own things so I'm sure kung fu has some apparatuses also right? I tried looking on the Internet with little luck. Just looking to add a little spice into my training regime is all.
    Most ( if not all) of the Hojo Undo of Okinawan karate comes from the southern Chinese arts.
    Add to that the various "wooden dummies" and "innovative and inventive" strength building apparatuses that were always popular when MA were doing for fighting and what you get is a clear picture of how important building strength was in TCMA.
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    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    I love this forum because of the knowledge shared here, though you sometimes have to wade through piles of troll droppings to find it.

    A term like "hojo undo" is new to me, and opened another world of information to explore.

    Stuff I do:
    twist a bundle of chopsticks help together with a rubber band.

    get the thickest dowel you can find and wave it around in circles etc. I haven't yet drilled a hole in it, but I intend to make a wrist roller out of same. Can also use to tap body.

    play around with a sledgehammer.

    mok yee pai

    Not sure how traditional some of those are. I guess it depends how far back you want to go before something becomes traditional. What makes a modern barbell nontraditional? Just that it's been manufactured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Most ( if not all) of the Hojo Undo of Okinawan karate comes from the southern Chinese arts.
    Add to that the various "wooden dummies" and "innovative and inventive" strength building apparatuses that were always popular when MA were doing for fighting and what you get is a clear picture of how important building strength was in TCMA.
    Yeah you can see the similarities between southern arts and karate. Strength training is always important . And kellen I know I tried like 6 times lol I just gave up on it .

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    Wasn't there a book published like a decade ago that talked about traditional KF training and conditioning? I seem to recall it had illustrations. It may have been part of a larger book about the Shaolin Temple arts or something. It's been too long.

    There is also this DVD series by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming. I haven't see nit myself, but he's known for putting out good quality videos.

    If you go to the YouTube page for the trailers, you'll see some good stuff related to it, like this.

    and then there's this................
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    like that old japanese zen monk that grabs white woman student titties to awaken them to zen, i grab titties of kung fu people to awaken them to truth.
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    You can discuss discrepancies and so on in people's posts without ripping them apart. So easy to do sitting behind a computer screen anonymously, but in person I'm sure you'd be very different, unless you're a total misanthrope without any friends.

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    The only two really essential wushu training items you need are:

    1. The space in which an ox could lie down.

    2. Someone very tough and strong who, at some point, you are going to have to have a serious fight with.

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    Rapizo-
    Here is a couple to get you started.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9eDh...EoKrRKqdDBAozA

    I will be posting a lot more over the next few weeks.

    David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raipizo View Post
    Anyone out there know of any ye olde kung fu training equipment. Okinawan karate has it's own things so I'm sure kung fu has some apparatuses also right? I tried looking on the Internet with little luck. Just looking to add a little spice into my training regime is all.




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    I didn't say it was bawang. Of course strength training is an important part. Those are some impressive older men I will say.

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    thanks rising crane I do have a kettle bell. Maybe I'll have to pick up another one.

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