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    Fubar,

    The white guy is a Tae Kwon Do practitioner and TKD as well as the majority of karate in America have flashy staff forms like this that invole tons of spinning and fighting with the staff solely from the center (which is so freaking stupid). Usually you'll see them with flashy-looking staffs that weigh less and then they can spin them faster.

    The asian guy does Wushu, which while it is also based on perfermance, there is at least a basis on a fighting art. Movements are essentially taken from traditional kung fu and extended out and altered to make them fancier. IMO, there are valid techniques in what he did, but I think that whipping the staff aound like that for the entire fightwould get realyl tiring and, frankly, would expose the legs.

    You won't find this sort of thing in Wing Chun. I never studied the Wing Chun staff, but it's my understanding that it is very straight forward.

    Here's a popular wing chun staff form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9GeUs2krs

    For reference, here's a staff set from another southern style (Hung Gar): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xb6xwd98fM

    Here's a northern style (Long Fist) staff set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frrU54_HgjE

    You will find some twirling (figure 8) and swide swings in Kung Fu staff forms, but that isn't the sole part of the form, and Kung Fu guys understand that it's a long-range weapon (really, that's something that always baffled me about most Korean and Japanese styles).
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    like that old japanese zen monk that grabs white woman student titties to awaken them to zen, i grab titties of kung fu people to awaken them to truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    Why would you get crucified? Spinning is fine - we all like to do it, but one thing your clip showed was plenty of applications that used the length of the weapon to your advantage. That's the whole point of using a staff... it's long! You don't see that in Karate. Even the traditional guys using the legit stuff - it's all quarter as you say, so with a 6 ft staff, they're getting maybe 2 ft extensions on their technique. TCMA on the other hand is getting most if not all of the benefit of that 6 ft weapon.
    Bingo!!
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    like that old japanese zen monk that grabs white woman student titties to awaken them to zen, i grab titties of kung fu people to awaken them to truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Canzonieri View Post
    You can discuss discrepancies and so on in people's posts without ripping them apart. So easy to do sitting behind a computer screen anonymously, but in person I'm sure you'd be very different, unless you're a total misanthrope without any friends.

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    Here's an amazing clip!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8

    IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you'll see.
    No mocking, tongue-in-cheek signature here... move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPWT View Post
    Here's an amazing clip!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8

    IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you'll see.
    Awesome find! Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPWT View Post
    Here's an amazing clip!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8

    IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you'll see.
    Ahh.... the imfamous Tang Yik sets You are right it is an amazing clip but from my perspective it is far from a 'form', they're simply clips edited together to get as close as they can to what the original form may have looked like.

    Nothing they do here is far from general Ip Man forms I have seen, just smoother and more agile footwork. And there are still sets within the pole I learnt that are not represented at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPWT View Post
    Here's an amazing clip!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8

    IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you'll see.
    Id agree with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
    Id agree with that
    Me too. Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPWT View Post
    Here's an amazing clip!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8

    IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you'll see.
    This is certainly a good clip, nice find

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    Some yip Ching pole at the beginning.

    http://youtu.be/MrbpYBY9Ewo

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    An oldie but goodie demo from 1979- some wing chun pole skills in there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PoiOVepwGo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajramusti View Post
    An oldie but goodie demo from 1979- some wing chun pole skills in there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PoiOVepwGo
    good one thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    Karate guys never seem to figure out that a bo/guan is longer when you hold it by its end.
    I think they get it. It is a range thing. If you are fighting with the staff at close range then holding it at at end puts you at a disadvantage since opponent is inside your range. Holding it in the middle as you correctly note shortens the range. This is a disadvantage for long range but good for short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajramusti View Post
    An oldie but goodie demo from 1979- some wing chun pole skills in there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PoiOVepwGo
    Now that is some plain oldskool demo where the team is rehearsed and willing to die, moreso than anything we tend to see these days other than in the movies! Superb stuff in my opinion and something I would love to see brought back to the stage...

    ... hang on...

    http://www.china.org.cn/arts/2013-01...t_27727492.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajramusti View Post
    An oldie but goodie demo from 1979- some wing chun pole skills in there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PoiOVepwGo

    The ‘Man’ and not a Wing Chun master a live that can do it better than ‘Fong’.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajramusti View Post
    An oldie but goodie demo from 1979- some wing chun pole skills in there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PoiOVepwGo
    Now that's how you do a demo!

    Awesome!

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