Forms of Hung Fut? 10 animals?

[Runlikehell]

My dictionairies are in boxes in the basement, but I had the character, it is "fu" with a "sam dim soi" if you know what that means... in a classical dictionary it means a tiger cub

彪
That character, right?

[lkfmdc]

彪
That character, right?

actually, yes, that is it

[IronWeasel]

I believe some mistake Sup Ying Kuen in Hung Gar as 10 Animals when I think it is 5 Animals (Tiger, Dragon, Snake, Crane & Panther) & 5 Elements (Metal, Earth, Wood, Water & Fire).

On a side note: CLF has deer as one of its 10 animals (albeit not in my lineage).

Interesting...

Are the Hung Gar 5 elements the same as the Hsing-i 5 elements (ie: 5 fists)?

[taichi4eva]

The names of the elements are the same, but the techniques are Wong Fei Hung's interpretation of the long arm techniques of Lama from Wong Yan Lum.

[crazedjustice88]

Yeah, pretty much the elements (in WFHs Hung Gar) are considered to be the different long arm techniques but the more you dig into the system the elements become more than that. I was starting to get a glimpse of them until I moved to another style. Its some very interesting stuff.

[Ben Gash]

"tiger cub" made me lol. I 'm sure you were laughing when you typed it.

I believe that while Biu means tiger cub what it refers to is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_golden_cat

[lkfmdc]

I believe that while Biu means tiger cub what it refers to is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_golden_cat

quite possilbe....

[brothernumber9]

Some other systems may have a deer and/or tiger cub. Hung Fut does not. i don't know off the top of my head if Hung Fut has a 10 animal form, but most branches have a small 5 animals and a big 5 animals sets, although both sets contain techniques from more than just 5.

[Tea Serpent]

I believe that while Biu means tiger cub what it refers to is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_golden_cat

Thanks, I had heard that it referred to a medium sized species of wild cat. Nice to get some confirmation.

[Tea Serpent]

10 animals of southern kung fu

tiger
crane
leopard
snake
dragon

elephant
monkey
horse
lion
tiger cub

The five upper animals are always the same, but there is some variations on the five lower animals depending on the style or lineage. But the ones you posted are the same as found In Hung Fut and in the ten animal Hung Gar practiced in the Ha Say Fu region. Although more or less those same ten are found in some other systems too (CLF), usually if there is a difference it is only with one or two of the lower animals.

But finding an actual combined Ten Animal Boxing set is comparatively rare. Usually there are separate sets for each, but occasionally you do find a combined form.
Such as this Hung Fut combined ten animal set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijjb3D3K5cQ
From what I read online these sets come directly from Hung Gar, does anyone know who or where the Hung Gar portion of the Hung Fut system came from?
Interesting it lists the ten animals as 龍,蛇,虎,豹,鶴,獅,象,馬,猴,刁. Meaning Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Leopard, Crane and Lion, Elephant, Horse, Monkey, and 刁 Diao which isn't an animal, the character has the meaning or tricky, underhanded, sly deceitful, or wicked. I am guessing that this comes from the similarity in sound to 彪 Biao, Tiger cub or Golden Jungle Cat. Although I also wonder if those characteristics are traditionally associated with this animal.

Here are the individual ten animal forms from the Ha Say Fu Ten Animal style Hung Gar.

Five Upper Shapes:
from the Maonan district of Maoming prefecture

Dragon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwrL_aMC_dM

Snake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NrOjCI8MKc

Tiger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Xxl_TM70I

Leopard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFnNQhKXjM

Crane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxqh1sREiBs

Five Lower Shapes:
from Gaozhou county of Maoming prefecture, demonstrated by master Lei Cheung Tim

Lion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2PZwPNd29s

Elephant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VXbSm1670

Horse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZelRD8-vw

Monkey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rvstUOpGk

Tiger Cub / Jungle Cat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVgEPqEUYbs

[Ben Gash]

One of the Hung Gar systems I studied had a 10 animals form, and Choy Li Fut has two. I believe LKFMDC's CLF has one.

[lkfmdc]

One of the Hung Gar systems I studied had a 10 animals form, and Choy Li Fut has two. I believe LKFMDC's CLF has one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWTz2IkVmU0

I am NOT responsible for the music choices here

[LaterthanNever]

TeaSerpent,

"on the five lower animals depending on the style or lineage. But the ones you posted are the same as found In Hung Fut and in the ten animal Hung Gar practiced in the Ha Say Fu region"

Excellent input..thank you. Re: Ha Say Fu being a 10 animal. I was under the impression that the HSF Hung Kuen only had 5 like the LSW/TF lineages but the main difference is that there is a separate set for each of the 5 animals. Are you saying this is not true? If so, there does not seem to be any masters in the States who teach the remaining 5 animals in either solo sets or in a combination set.

When you state "lower" animals, am I to understand that lower in this case refers to less often seen?

[Ben Gash]

TeaSerpent,

"on the five lower animals depending on the style or lineage. But the ones you posted are the same as found In Hung Fut and in the ten animal Hung Gar practiced in the Ha Say Fu region"

Excellent input..thank you. Re: Ha Say Fu being a 10 animal. I was under the impression that the HSF Hung Kuen only had 5 like the LSW/TF lineages but the main difference is that there is a separate set for each of the 5 animals. Are you saying this is not true? If so, there does not seem to be any masters in the States who teach the remaining 5 animals in either solo sets or in a combination set.

When you state "lower" animals, am I to understand that lower in this case refers to less often seen?

Watch the videos in post #25

[No_Know]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/4...wkendoinfon-21

I think this book by Kwan Tak Hing goes on about the Hung family and its fists...could that be the lead?? His foster father was Fok Hung,

I think the ten animals of this intended book [as I tried the link and got a kendo something]...The Intended Book (perhaps)

This book featuring that actor uses the Shao-lin /Choyli-Fut/Hung kuen five, but includes might also include a Bear form. Hsing-I might have a bear form as well as Ba Gua, but it might not be a Hung-Fot 10 animals--those were mentioned earlier perhaps if you include the substitute for the tiger-cub.

No_Know