CLF same as Lama/Hop Ga/Ba Hok

[Kymus]

you are an old troll

One of these statements may be partly true, but seeing as lkfmdc has promised me a surprise*, I will not comment on which of these comments may be partly true....


Dude, Ross, he called you old, you gonna take that??



(*that just sounds wrong.............)

[crazedjustice88]

My sifu, David Chin, is also a CLF man. He studied it under, I believe his unlce when he was young. He just moved on, so when he is teaching Hop Gar he talks about the two systems, but he also brings up how at a point they pretty much leave each other alone and from then on, go their own way. Some of the basics are practically the same. In fact, my sifu actually teaches us some CLF lohorn stepping to get used to "shooting in" before he teaches the white crane stepping since people who don't know the difference get kicked in the crotch a lot. Hahahaha so when sparring I use the lohorn pretty often, but more times than not, I will use different steps with the white crane stance. So yeah. I could believe they might have been at the same temple down the road after initial creation, again, look at Chen Tai San, but as far as origins linked? I'll put it how my sifu does. "There is only so much variation that can be done with two arms and two legs."

[jdhowland]

CLF was developed in 1830's but in my opinion wasn't well developed since it was a new system at that time. sure, by time chan heung died it may have been well developed by then but not in the 1830's. I see more bagua stuff in CLF than i do Lama style.

I don't feel that CLF was really "new" except that it was the methods used by a relatively new organization and headmaster. It would be helpful if we could know something about where Lee Yau San and Choy Fook learned their stuff. Chan family seems to have tried to cover the purpose of the organization by claiming that Chan Heung was a peaceful Buddhist who taught his students to not use their skills unless necessary. Sound familiar?

The differences in tactics and footwork are telling. You wouldn't think they could be related. But you could also explain these differences as adaptations to different uses. Personally, I see CLF as a very good style for group survival (if you consider the weapons work to be essential before the change to the popular "kung fu academy" format after 1875 or so). Lama changed from the escort/bodyguard style to a school style somewhat later and it still has that mercenary feel about it.

Both systems still show strong northern roots. Any thoughts?