Anti BJJ, ground stuff...

[YouKnowWho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-CelP5XVtg

Mmmmmmmmmm yes....

This is the general problem. The strikers think they have all the answer to against grapplers. The grapplers also think they have all the answer to against strikers. Only until you have cross trained both. You start to look at everything from both directions.

[Blacktiger]

We sing from the same hymn book...

[MightyB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-CelP5XVtg

Mmmmmmmmmm yes....

Teach wrestling to counter wrestling. Nothing wrong with that (guy in white gi pants was smooth and definitely is a grappler)- This would be a good seminar for non-grapplers to attend.

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On a side note, somebody needs to pay up their $5 to me so I can pay YKW the moniez I owe him!

[lkfmdc]

Teach wrestling to counter wrestling. Nothing wrong with that (guy in white gi pants was smooth and definitely is a grappler)- This would be a good seminar for non-grapplers to attend.

I am guessing you never wrestled, because that stuff was wack

[MightyB]

I am guessing you never wrestled, because that stuff was wack

What's wrong with 1:07 or 1:16 - I doubt anyone posting here can shoot for a double that smoothly.

Duck walk, sprawl, pummeling etc. All from the guy with the white gi pants.


I didn't like the guy in the red shirt though.

[lkfmdc]

Things wrong with that video

1, sprawl with no forward pressure

2. sprawl while trying to keep hand on back of neck and grab wrist!

3. pummeling with elbows up

4. posture in pummeling

5. guy you love so much does a double, doesn't use momentum, tries to PICK UP THE LEGS... meaning he doesn't understand how the takedown really works

6. Showing leg takedowns with wrong hand placement, wrong head position etc

I could go on

This is the problem, people can go on youtbue and "fake it" to most people, but once you have studied real wrestling you learn how aweful most of the stuff on youtube really is

[MightyB]

5. guy you love so much does a double, doesn't use momentum, tries to PICK UP THE LEGS... meaning he doesn't understand how the takedown really works

We may see things differently. For example, old school BJJ - Baiana. IS a pick up.

[MasterKiller]

What kind of hipster douche trains in a beanie?

[lkfmdc]

We may see things differently. For example, old school BJJ - Baiana. IS a pick up.

1. it's always a bad idea to use BJJ as an example of good wrestling
(even thought he is doing it correctly... )

and

2. it isn't the issue of it being a "pick up"

- first, it isn't a pick up
- it's executed wrong

have you ever wrestled? or studied it with a wrestler?

and in the second example, his posture is totally wrong, if the other guy had any defense he'd be fucked, and the "pass" is wrong

smh

[lkfmdc]

What kind of hipster douche trains in a beanie?

the same sort of douche that learns wrestling off youtube and then teaches a seminar

[YouKnowWho]

We may see things differently. For example, old school BJJ - Baiana. IS a pick up.

Double legs can be used for both pick up and push down. Same as single leg, fireman's carry, ...

Pick up "single leg":

http://imageshack.us/a/img208/2400/singleleg.jpg

Push down "single leg":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVzlJRIXjAI

Pick up "fireman's carry":

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/764/scarry.jpg

Push down "fireman's carry":

http://imageshack.us/a/img29/5913/firemancarry2.jpg

[Kymus]

1. it's always a bad idea to use BJJ as an example of good wrestling
(even thought he is doing it correctly... )

I'm curious as to why you say that. Could you elaborate?

[Frost]

I'm curious as to why you say that. Could you elaborate?

because BJJ is notorious for having bad takedowns its simply NOT the styles strong point

[Kymus]

because BJJ is notorious for having bad takedowns its simply NOT the styles strong point

Thanks for the input, Frost. Though Ross said that it wasn't a good example of wrestling, not just takedowns. Am I taking him too literally?

If memory serves (as I don't do BJJ) don't BJJ usually just make a straight shoot to the legs for a takedown? From what I can recall (of what I remember from when I used to watch UFC), there wasn't much in variation. Is this the weakness you're talking about, Frost?

[Frost]

Thanks for the input, Frost. Though Ross said that it wasn't a good example of wrestling, not just takedowns. Am I taking him too literally?

If memory serves (as I don't do BJJ) don't BJJ usually just make a straight shoot to the legs for a takedown? From what I can recall (of what I remember from when I used to watch UFC), there wasn't much in variation. Is this the weakness you're talking about, Frost?

well wrestling is the art of the takedown and pin neither of which bjj excels at lol, their takedown of choice way body lock and trip if you are going off the old Gracie videos

nope the weakness (if you can call it that) is that unlike wrestling or judo you dont score extra points for a clean throw or takedown, and the focus isnt the takedown or thorw its the submission mainly
so they looked to take the fight to the ground anyway they could, trip guard pull etc the takedown wasnt the focus finishing the fight by submission or ground and pound was, thus the takedown isnt that well developed in BJJ