There is a lot of disagreement in boxing and some of it is contradictory even about how to throw a good jab. In the end you realize that these are are personal points of view and there is no one right best or correct way there is a range of possibilities that are open to you and that what is important is that you find one that works for you. I think this is also true from my experience in bjj in wrestling and wing chun.
The main difference I see in boxing and wing chun teaching or coaching is that in boxing no one takes the coaching as gospel coming down from high and that only his coach or trainer knows the real boxing and everyone else is just stupid for not seeing that.
IN boxing, if someone comes around with a "new way" ( there is nothing new under the sun) or a "better way" of doing this or that, until that way is proven in the ring, it means nothing.
Case in point the "peek a boo" style of Tyson as per D'Amato.
In full contact martial arts what PROVES anything is the results in "the ring".
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
IMHO.
In a simple brief, Wing chun kuen is just an art expressing three simple things.
1. thrusting forward to the center line to capture the opponent center with coil spring or rattan type of force.
2. If the thrusting forward force is block go roundabout and continuous step 1,
3. If the thrusting forward force lost its direction, recover and continuous step 1.
That is all.
Why is it that difficult to know what is or not following these above?
As an example,
It is like beetovern music has its style. Not all music is beetovern music, but beetovern music is a type of music.
One can't call every music the beetovern music, and beetovern music is not all music.
So, does one train in the above three things? If yes, it is Wck, if not it is not. That simple and clear. Didn't all the three sets, wooden dummy, chi sau, ...Wck sparing ....ect . Train to develop these three things?
Last edited by Hendrik; 07-12-2013 at 10:05 AM.
Anyone who is not blind and stupid could see these three basic in the Wck three sets.
Wing chun kuen is just an art expressing three simple things.
Snt :
1. thrusting forward to the center line to capture the opponent center with coil spring or rattan type of force.
Ck:
2. If the thrusting forward force is block go roundabout and continuous step 1,
Bj:
3. If the thrusting forward force lost its direction, recover and continuous step 1.
Got nothing to do with anyone's skill or anything personal.
Btw. My skill go nothing whatever to do with Wck core. I don't create them, and all proper Wck lineages practice them. If you don't know , too bad. Free free to post your opinion on me. That doesn't cover up your ignorance and blindness.
Last edited by Hendrik; 07-12-2013 at 11:03 AM.
Nobody comes up with a new way of throwing a jab. Some people work it more and make it more dangerous. Some people use it more effectively in terms of strategy. Some people don't get good at it and tend to avoid it or throw it poorly. Nobody changes the fundamental body mechanic of it.
The thing about boxing is that it is available for everyone to watch and discuss. I have had even local boxing coaches of low level talking about the way jabs used to be thrown vertical in the early days, how the russian amateurs sometimes turn it over, and the pros and cons of these unusual ways vs standard jab. It is all there for anyone to see.
I think this is one of the good things about youtube. As time goes on what the different wing chun approaches do and don't do the same as each other will become more clear. More and better clips will emerge of realistic usage. People will be able to make a more informed choice.
Last edited by guy b.; 07-12-2013 at 11:46 AM.
Then we do not need you to tell us.
Wrong. I guess this means you are blind and stupid. You should really go learn wing chun.Wing chun kuen is just an art expressing three simple things.
Snt :
1. thrusting forward to the center line to capture the opponent center with coil spring or rattan type of force.
Ck:
2. If the thrusting forward force is block go roundabout and continuous step 1,
Bj:
3. If the thrusting forward force lost its direction, recover and continuous step 1.
It is a good thing that your skill has nothing to do with the wing chun core since if it did we would all be in trouble.Got nothing to do with anyone's skill or anything personal.
Btw. My skill go nothing whatever to do with Wck core. I don't create them, and all proper Wck lineages practice them. If you don't know , too bad. Free free to post your opinion on me. That doesn't cover up your ignorance and blindness.
"Who has the right to say what is and what isn't Wing Chun?"
I have the definitive answer - the only one that can put an end to this thread. I don't know how none of you could figure this out. It's child's play.
Leung Ting. He is the Master of Almightiness.
No mocking, tongue-in-cheek signature here... move on.
Bpwt has a diamond, ask " O' Great One. " !
Well when I studied with LT he was only a mere "10th Level Master of Comprehension". Humility was never his strong point. But for all that, he didn't go around defining what was genuine WC. He simply named what he taught as "WT" and didn't worry about the rest ...unless they tried to mess with his business interests, like William Cheung did in Germany.