Lee Koon Hung's Fu Mei Daan Dou

[jdhowland]

I saw a Tat Mau Wong video once that demonstrated a "Tiger Tail Broadsword" form. I had learned a similar form for daan dou in Hawaii, but it had a different opening. I don't believe it is a CLF set. Can anyone enlighten me?

[CLFNole]

Not exactly sure of the origin as I have seen variations in other styles but this has been in our line even before Sifu. I think this falls in the "bing hay mo gar" or "weapons have no family" category and was "borrowed" by various systems. BTW Wong Tat Mau's version is a bit different from ours as he made some changes.

Peace.

[lkfmdc]

not to take this off subject, but while Lama Pai spent most of its time in the south, most of its weapons are from the north.. so what CLF said

[CLFNole]

not to take this off subject, but while Lama Pai spent most of its time in the south, most of its weapons are from the north.. so what CLF said

I agree with this completely and don't think it is unique to lama but rather many southern styles. Not all weapons of course but definately some.

[mickey]

Greetings,

jdhowland:

When you mentioned Hawaii, the name that immediately popped up in my head was Grandmaster Bucksam Kong. The thing is that GM Kong learned Choy Li Fut in addition to Hung Gar. Lee Koon Hung was his Sifu in Choy Li Fut.

Here is another example of Tiger Tail Broadsword from Hung Gar performed by a student of TenTigers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFBUBf4z3yY


mickey

[jdhowland]

Not exactly sure of the origin as I have seen variations in other styles but this has been in our line even before Sifu. I think this falls in the "bing hay mo gar" or "weapons have no family" category and was "borrowed" by various systems...

I'm sure that must be the case. I just wondered if anyone might know the "original" source.

[jdhowland]

not to take this off subject, but while Lama Pai spent most of its time in the south, most of its weapons are from the north.. so what CLF said

That's true for our Lama, as well. No typical southern weapons (spinning spear, double butterfly knives or large farmer-style daan dou).

The version of Fuh Mei DD I learned was not from my sifu, but from a friend from Hong Kong. I never learned where he got it from. He was mostly Hung Ga but learned some other things, as well. His version had no fa dou, just a simple, almost military-looking four-road drill. Very northern-looking, but then, all daan dou is northern military in origin, far as I know.

[jdhowland]

Greetings,

jdhowland:

When you mentioned Hawaii, the name that immediately popped up in my head was Grandmaster Bucksam Kong. The thing is that GM Kong learned Choy Li Fut in addition to Hung Gar. Lee Koon Hung was his Sifu in Choy Li Fut.

Here is another example of Tiger Tail Broadsword from Hung Gar performed by a student of TenTigers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFBUBf4z3yY


mickey

Thanks, mickey. I knew there was a little CLF in Kong's Siu Lum Pai but I didn't know Kong sifu learned from LKH. I met Kong around '73 and had a neighbor who was one of his students. We used to compare notes about our styles. That video link makes about the fifth version of FMDD I've seen. All are different but all have recognizable sequences.

[mickey]

Greetings,

No disrespect to CLFNole meant here or to Choy Li Fut. There could be some overlapping of forms. This is a post from Sow Choy at this forum regarding Shek Kin and Lee Koon Hung:


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The comparison was not that important, I meant it for people who have never heard of him. My connection is through my 1st Sifu Grandmaster Lee Koon Hung. Lee Koon Hung was Shek Kin's only student. He did teach him Northern style Kung Fu, but more than just Law Horn. Lee Koon Hung learned more weapon forms from him than anything else. He taught those forms to advanced students. They are incredible, they really give us more insight and understanding about the differences between Northern and Southern style.Choy Lay Fut is the style Grandmaster Lee Koon Hung was famous for.



mickey

[CLFNole]

Hi Mickey:

Sow Choy is my sidai. Sifu learned from Kin Baat much later in life after he was an established Sifu already. This form as I mentioned goes back earlier to Poon Dik's school and does not come from Shek Kin.

Peace

[mickey]

Greetings CLFNole,

Thank you for sharing that.

mickey

[CLFNole]

Mickey:

No problem...we are lucky enough to have some of Shek Kin's Kung Fu within our curriculum as Sifu incorporated what he felt would compliment our CLF...mostly weapons. Nice to have a more northern influenced spear since typical CLF spear is more like southern dan tow kwun.

Peace

[jdhowland]

Nice to have a more northern influenced spear since typical CLF spear is more like southern dan tow kwun.

Most daan tauh gwan is mostly a method for training spear, anyway. I don't care for the reverse--when someone uses double head staff to make a spear form. Doesn't make much sense to me except for flashy demonstrations.

I do like northern spear, though.

[lance]

I saw a Tat Mau Wong video once that demonstrated a "Tiger Tail Broadsword" form. I had learned a similar form for daan dou in Hawaii, but it had a different opening. I don't believe it is a CLF set. Can anyone enlighten me?

You remember who your sifu was that taught you that daan dou set in Hawaii ?
I ' m from Hawaii , was that sifu Mak Fai by any chance ?

[CLFNole]

You remember who your sifu was that taught you that daan dou set in Hawaii ?
I ' m from Hawaii , was that sifu Mak Fai by any chance ?

I know Mak Hin Fai was in Hawaii for a time but wasn't Kong Buk Sam also there too? Could have come from him as well. Also Victor Kim is in Hawaii and he learned from Sifu as well.