guyb, well maybe you ' re right we ' re talking at cross points ,
what do you mean by cross points ? You talk like I don ' t understand you okay , but what does cross points mean ? Do you understand what I ' m writing as I ' m replying to your topic post ? When I first read topic post to this thread . it sounds like you were complaining about WC in general , so okay so I told you to explore other techniques in WC , that ' s why I ask you if you were learning WC?
So you were learning WC from who I don ' t know .
But anyway , I ' ve trained in WC too myself , I like the art myself too , but thinking about what you talking about , I don ' t spar with my elbows down all the time , I only react to what my partner is going to do to me . Well guy b, I hate to say this but maybe you don ' t understand how the art works , because when I do WC I don ' t keep my elbows down all the time , I only react to what my opponent is going to do to me . I ' ve read your topic post all the time , even I don ' t understand what you ' re trying to say on the your thread . If you like WC alot then there should be no complains about it . That ' s why I told you there should be technques in the 3 forms to solve your problem in WC , but you said you know about WC , you ' re not critiscizing WC , but still for you theres' a problem . And you tell me that I don ' t understand what you ' re saying ? Maybe you don ' t understand WC yourself . A person can act like he learns WC , but really not knowing anything about the art itself . And my guess is that you only like to roll over people , but not really know about WC itself .
And people fight the way they like right ? The elbows are down for a purpose like the way I explained to you in my previous reply to your thread post . So if I don ' t understand what you ' re really saying concerning WC , then maybe you don ' t understand WC yourself .
I think you hit the nail on the head...most people confuse body weight with structure...the mechanics are totally different. But you illustrated the fundamental differences between wing chun strikes and a boxers devasting hook power. I agree a tough right hook will have more power provided the boxer trains on a heavy bag and doesn't just shadow box...
Wing Chun fighters could have stronger punches if they utilize wall bags and wooden dummies!
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
Bas Rutten, in his punching videos, recommands the elbow down.
I like Bas, so I follow his advice.
And he's also a Badass.
"Deepest depth, Where one live with no light, No evil can escape my sticky tentacle, Beware the radiant octopus might !"
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And he has the best entertainment value street defense videos eva:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5fjmu4899c
"dangita, dangita, dangita"
guy b. the elbows are one part of the body where the power in WC comes from , besides the elbows you have the entire body , and including the stances . Because when you train in WC ? Then don ' t you think you ' re going to do the samething in the streets ? If not ? Why train in wing chun then ? In all of the CMA regardless of styles or systems , the use of power all comes from the stances which certain styles uses . When you practice the Sil Lum Tao you ' re also training your chi power too . And chi is what makes your physical power get stronger too .
And what strategies will work against WC ? So for you guy b. if you throw WC away , what will you do then ? Use your ordinary fighting skills whatever it may be ? To me learning WC makes you better at defending yourself effectively , so as the other methods of self defense in general . And if you don ' t know how to really defend yourself at all then , you going be wasting your time trying to beat up your opponent , when your opponent can either beat you . So it works both ways . If GM Ip Man was still alive today he would ' ve cleared your mine on WC .
Too bad he ' s dead .
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"